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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
In order...
1. The Left will not condemn what Iran did, even though it condemns what the US does. That is the issue. You condemned Iran, but you're not The Left. You're a lawyer on a chat board who, though holding some of the Left's bona fides, would be seen be the most strident lefties as intolerably moderate.
2. I understood your argument and respect the position that it is always wrong, period. But I don't think that argument is properly used here. Club's point that started all of this was that the Left is inconsistent in its criticisms of torture. That's a limited issue, and its hard to reach any conclusion that the Left is not disingenuous on it.
3. You're right, and I think that's the Left's only rebuttal to Club's point. What Iran did to these sailors is not comparable to Guatanamo. In fact, I wouldn't even try to argue that. Were we in court, I'd stipulate to it. But I probably wouldn't have to because the Left would never want to get into the argumene, since the debate would force a squaring of its stance that all psychological torture is wrong with its silence regarding Iran's use of the technique.
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Exactly. I'm not concerned with 5 lawyers on a chat board. I'm concerned with the official left and with the international organizations that have routinely condemned our use of torture (rightly or wrongly, not my beaf here).
I could understand if the reason for the silence was based on oil. That would be a rational response. But these same folks are the ones telling Sebby not to drive is SUV, so the only answer I can think of is an anti-Western (i.e., Britain, US, Australia, etc.) bent.
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