Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Spanky]

I point out that this statement, to T-Rex, is not only utterly stupid but is bigoted:

"And the Arab world wants democracy as much as they want a hole in the head. They don't get it, they don't care to get it."

And T-Rex defends it by saying that military force may not be the best way to achieve our ends - as a defense of this statement? Is it just me but there is absolutely no connection between this statement and his defense of it.

This statement does not discuss military force. This statement says that the Arab world, that is all two hundred and seventy million Arabs from Morocco to Baghdad, do not want Democracy. In addition it says that they don't get it.

If I said all blacks south of the Sahara not only don't want Democracy, but that they also don't get it. Wouldn't that be considered bigoted?

To sum: I point out an obviously stupid and bigoted statement and T-Rex defends it by pointing out an extraneous issue, instead of acknowledging the obvious.

Then Shapeshifter points out that, in response to my calling the above statement bigoted:

"This is no more racist or bigotted than assuming that everyone must want the system we have."

I assume that this means he is saying that it is bigoted and racist to assume that everyone wants democracy. Isn't that what he is saying? The system we were discussing is democracy?

When I pose this Shapshifter says that I am being arrogant, acting like an eight grader, and other stuff.

Then Shapeshifter says that:

"I never said it was bigoted or racist to impose democracy on the ME"

Earlier he said:

"This is no more racist or bigotted than assuming that everyone must want the system we have."

Is it just me or are these guys so caught up in being right that they simple can't acknowledge the obvious.

Let's us try this again:

T-Rex can't you just acknowledge that this statement is not only bigoted but stupid:

"And the Arab world wants democracy as much as they want a hole in the head. They don't get it, they don't care to get it."

Shapeshifter - can't you just admit that this statement implies that it is bigoted and racist to assume that Arabs would want democracy. And such statement was not well thought out and is wrong.

"This is no more racist or bigotted than assuming that everyone must want the system we have."

btw: We all understand that you think that military force is not the best way to bring democracy to the middle east. By acknowledging these above statements no one will assume that you have changed your positions on this issue, nor will we assume that you are acknowledging that military force is a good way to bring peace to the middle east.