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[LessinSF]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
A mandate is the only kind of scandal Gavin hasn't had, but chances are that's a matter of time.

Verra nice.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Why do you bother to dispute about things like this?

S_A_M

P.S. You are clearly wrong, although your argument is so subjective that I cannot disagree.

Physician, heal thyself.

eta: I defend a Republican from 3xG and you give me a hard time for it? What is this world coming to?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

It's good to see the Republican heros get their due.

So there are still come old fashion crooks in the Republican Party, and it's not just a bunch of deviants? That Rudy's really surrounding himself with top talent these days, isn't he - not just this guy, but Pat Robertson, too!

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
It's good to see there are still come old fashion crooks in the Republican Party,

it sounds like he was a cop who got an opportunity for some positions in government, like it could have as easily been a dem administration, no? or do you think all cops are republicans?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
it sounds like he was a cop who got an opportunity for some positions in government, like it could have as easily been a dem administration, no? or do you think all cops are republicans?

Nice twist on the old argument that Republican scandals shouldn't be an issue, because Democrats were probably doing the same thing somewhere.

Are you suggesting that all cops are crooked here? Why is it relevant that there are cops that are Democrats?

Bottom line - there was a very bad apple at the core of Rudy's administration in NY. Take it for what it is worth.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
It's good to see the Republican heros get their due.

So there are still come old fashion crooks in the Republican Party, and it's not just a bunch of deviants? That Rudy's really surrounding himself with top talent these days, isn't he - not just this guy, but Pat Robertson, too!

Yes, because Rudy and Kerik were staunch Republicans...

Do you sniff glue before you post or does some silly old ludicrous belief that all Democrats are good and all Republicans are evil cloud your brain?

Kerik and Rudy were Republicans in name only. At the local level, patrticularly in the Northeast, you want to be a Democrat. But guess wht? Sometimes the Democrats already have their chosen candidates, so in order to get elected, you have to become a Republican.

There is no difference between a Democrat and a Republican in local races, so when you write a post like this, you sound like some DailyKos poster who's too limited to understand the situation.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Nice twist on the old argument that Republican scandals shouldn't be an issue, because Democrats were probably doing the same thing somewhere.

Are you suggesting that all cops are crooked here? Why is it relevant that there are cops that are Democrats?

Bottom line - there was a very bad apple at the core of Rudy's administration in NY. Take it for what it is worth.

You set this argument from the "Reps bad, Dems good" perspective. The only thing wrong with his response was taking your bait and playing into that moronic debate.

Your last paragraph basically disowns your first post on this issue. A moment of lucidity?

Try liquid paper. It's a much cleaner high.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You set this argument from the "Reps bad, Dems good" perspective. The only thing wrong with his response was taking your bait and playing into that moronic debate.

Your last paragraph basically disowns your first post on this issue. A moment of lucidity?

Try liquid paper. It's a much cleaner high.

my point was that he was a cop, not a politician. I wonder if GGG writes off all cops as Republicans, or what.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You set this argument from the "Reps bad, Dems good" perspective. The only thing wrong with his response was taking your bait and playing into that moronic debate.

Your last paragraph basically disowns your first post on this issue. A moment of lucidity?

Try liquid paper. It's a much cleaner high.

Power corrupts. The Rs, for one reason or another, have had power long enough that the rot is pretty malodorous.

Am I more worried by Rudy's bad judgment in selecting a police commissioner or his current embrace of Pat Robertson and friends? Definitely the latter.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Yes, because Rudy and Kerik were staunch Republicans...

Do you sniff glue before you post or does some silly old ludicrous belief that all Democrats are good and all Republicans are evil cloud your brain?

Kerik and Rudy were Republicans in name only. At the local level, patrticularly in the Northeast, you want to be a Democrat. But guess wht? Sometimes the Democrats already have their chosen candidates, so in order to get elected, you have to become a Republican.

There is no difference between a Democrat and a Republican in local races, so when you write a post like this, you sound like some DailyKos poster who's too limited to understand the situation.

Ask Pat Robertson what he thinks Rudy's politics are.

Up here, I didn't get to see Rudy operate on a day to day basis, but I did get to see Mitt Romney, who has the same disease. So is pro-choice Mitt or pro-life Mitt the real Mitt? It sounds like you take comfort in the idea that the Rudys and Mitts of the world are lying now and the "real" Rudy and Mitt were the Governors.

Well, good luck with that.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
my point was that he was a cop, not a politician. I wonder if GGG writes off all cops as Republicans, or what.

It's silly to suggest that Kerik's problems reflect poorly on Republicans generally. OTOH, the man was almost Bush's choice to be Secretary for Homeland Security, on Giuliani's recommendation. He reflects poorly on Giuliani's judgment about whom he surrounds himself with, and to a lesser extent the same is true with Bush.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
It's silly to suggest that Kerik's problems reflect poorly on Republicans generally. OTOH, the man was almost Bush's choice to be Secretary for Homeland Security, on Giuliani's recommendation. He reflects poorly on Giuliani's judgment about whom he surrounds himself with, and to a lesser extent the same is true with Bush.

I have no doubt there are many honest Republicans who are not sexual deviants. I do not think Bush, for example, is either a crook or a deviant, though I certaintly have plenty of doubts about his competance and judgment. And I believe McCain learned his lessons in the Keating 5 scandal and so I would trust the guy today.

But I keep seeing a lot of trees and am just wondering out loud how many trees are needed to make a forest. Until we figure that out, no harm in continuing to point out the trees. A lot of them seem to have interesting, twisted shapes.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
I have no doubt there are many honest Republicans who are not sexual deviants. I do not think Bush, for example, is either a crook or a deviant, though I certaintly have plenty of doubts about his competance and judgment. And I believe McCain learned his lessons in the Keating 5 scandal and so I would trust the guy today.

But I keep seeing a lot of trees and am just wondering out loud how many trees are needed to make a forest. Until we figure that out, no harm in continuing to point out the trees. A lot of them seem to have interesting, twisted shapes.

Citing one party as more or less natively corrupt than another is ludicrous. But you do have a point that either party, given enough time in power, will become obscenely corrupt. And the GOP is that today. But as you said, that's a symptom of time and arrogance, not a native inclination. And that's a distinction missing in your first post. Perhaps it was implied and I missed it.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Citing one party as more or less natively corrupt than another is ludicrous. But you do have a point that either party, given enough time in power, will become obscenely corrupt. And the GOP is that today. But as you said, that's a symptom of time and arrogance, not a native inclination. And that's a distinction missing in your first post. Perhaps it was implied and I missed it.

They have neglected their housecleaning.

It may be a function of such decisions as politicizing the AG's office, so AGs were chasing Dems but not Rs. If you keep the watchdog muzzled, sooner or later the neighborhood burglers are going to figure out that he can't bark or bite.

It may be a function of the holier-than-thou attitude of the Christian right and the Rove/Cheney faction.

It may be a function of the last Congressional leadership - after all, if you put guys like DeLay in charge, it's hard to tell the rank and file to behave. The jackel isn't going to get the wolves to leave the sheep alone.

For whatever reason, there are a lot of trees, and until someone realizes they have a problem and do a bit of housecleaning, the little buggers will just keep sprouting. (Have I mangled enough metaphors this post?)

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
They have neglected their housecleaning.

It may be a function of such decisions as politicizing the AG's office, so AGs were chasing Dems but not Rs. If you keep the watchdog muzzled, sooner or later the neighborhood burglers are going to figure out that he can't bark or bite.

It may be a function of the holier-than-thou attitude of the Christian right and the Rove/Cheney faction.

It may be a function of the last Congressional leadership - after all, if you put guys like DeLay in charge, it's hard to tell the rank and file to behave. The jackel isn't going to get the wolves to leave the sheep alone.

For whatever reason, there are a lot of trees, and until someone realizes they have a problem and do a bit of housecleaning, the little buggers will just keep sprouting. (Have I mangled enough metaphors this post?)

Ty, I think this man has not broadened the internet blogs he reads.

You point to a policeman who is crooked and an obese state representative from Bumfuck whereever that was trusted raising teen girls and you get to an endictment on the bush administration and congress.