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06-02-2020, 03:37 PM
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#1996
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The Police Are Not Here to Protect You
This is pretty solid: https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/7...g-book-extract
The reality is that the police exist primarily as a system for managing and even producing inequality by suppressing social movements and tightly managing the behaviours of poor and nonwhite people: those on the losing end of economic and political arrangements. Bayley argues that policing emerged as new political and economic formations developed, producing social upheavals that could no longer be managed by existing private, communal and informal processes. This can be seen in the earliest origins of policing, which were tied to three basic social arrangements of inequality in the 18th century: slavery, colonialism and the control of a new industrial working class. This created what Allan Silver calls a "policed society", in which state power was significantly expanded in the face of social upheavals and demands for justice.
As Kristian Williams points out, "The police represent the point of contact between the coercive apparatus of the state and the lives of its citizens." In the words of Mark Neocleous, police exist to "fabricate social order", but that order rests on systems of exploitation – and when elites feel that this system is at risk, whether from slave revolts, general strikes or crime and rioting in the streets, they rely on the police to control those activities. When possible, the police aggressively and proactively prevent the formation of movements and public expressions of rage, but when necessary they will fall back on brute force. Therefore, while the specific forms that policing takes have changed as the nature of inequality and the forms of resistance to it have shifted over time, the basic function of managing the poor, foreign and nonwhite on behalf of a system of economic and political inequality remains.
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06-02-2020, 03:52 PM
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#1997
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I am beyond a rank!
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Re: George Floyd
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Originally Posted by LessinSF
Yes. 3rd degree murder:
"609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
(b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both."
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Our local alt weekly (now owned by the main paper. Competition!) asked some experts: http://www.citypages.com/news/expert...arge/570918851
Apparently the act needs to be aimed at more than one person, so Murder 3 isn't the right charge.
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06-02-2020, 04:16 PM
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#1998
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Re: George Floyd
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Originally Posted by Adder
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"others," got it. And yeah, I remember from law school the example was riding a horse through a crowd.
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06-02-2020, 07:20 PM
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#1999
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Re: George Floyd
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Originally Posted by Adder
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Ooh so the ACLU agrees with me.
And my wife (who has Sherlock Holmes DNA) astutely said that Floyd definitely passed the $20 unknowingly. Why would he knowingly pass a counterfeit bill and sit in a car outside smoking a cigarette?
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06-02-2020, 08:30 PM
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Re: Objectively intelligent.
Hey guys, just stopping by because I wanted to call out a group run by people that I know, called Republican Voters Against Trump. They have $10 million to run ads in swing states. I recorded my own story for them today. www.rvat.org.
I think it may be as persuasive to marginal Republican voters as anything.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/polit...ign/index.html
I mean, it’s worth a shot, right?
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06-02-2020, 09:16 PM
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Re: Objectively intelligent.
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick
Hey guys, just stopping by because I wanted to call out a group run by people that I know, called Republican Voters Against Trump. They have $10 million to run ads in swing states. I recorded my own story for them today. www.rvat.org.
I think it may be as persuasive to marginal Republican voters as anything.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/polit...ign/index.html
I mean, it’s worth a shot, right?
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Which one are you?
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06-02-2020, 09:44 PM
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I am beyond a rank!
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Re: Objectively intelligent.
Mine isn’t posted yet. I just submitted this afternoon.
I know Jim Swift from Virginia (his video, he’s a former Weekly Standard guy) and have been loosely involved with Defending Democracy Together since its inception.
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06-02-2020, 10:33 PM
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Re: Objectively intelligent.
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick
Hey guys, just stopping by because I wanted to call out a group run by people that I know, called Republican Voters Against Trump. They have $10 million to run ads in swing states. I recorded my own story for them today. www.rvat.org.
I think it may be as persuasive to marginal Republican voters as anything.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/polit...ign/index.html
I mean, it’s worth a shot, right?
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Thanks!
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06-03-2020, 07:09 AM
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#2004
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Re: Objectively intelligent.
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick
Mine isn’t posted yet. I just submitted this afternoon.
I know Jim Swift from Virginia (his video, he’s a former Weekly Standard guy) and have been loosely involved with Defending Democracy Together since its inception.
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Which is the best K-Pop video to upload? Asking for a friend.
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06-03-2020, 01:31 PM
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Random Syndicate (admin)
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Re: Objectively intelligent.
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski
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Yeah, it's been pretty bad since early May. The second they eased restrictions people went crazy. Traffic is up, people are out and about. The only real hope we have is that they stay outside and hopefully that'll slow it down.
The numbers aren't looking great though. The Memorial Day spike is starting right now, and in a few weeks, we'll see how bad the protesting added to the whole problem.
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06-03-2020, 02:17 PM
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Location: Rose City 'til I Die
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Re: Objectively intelligent.
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan
Yeah, it's been pretty bad since early May. The second they eased restrictions people went crazy. Traffic is up, people are out and about. The only real hope we have is that they stay outside and hopefully that'll slow it down.
The numbers aren't looking great though. The Memorial Day spike is starting right now, and in a few weeks, we'll see how bad the protesting added to the whole problem.
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The 15 year old really wants to participate in the protests here. I think that is great, and I think we can do it safely from a civil unrest standpoint. I'm worried about the virus exposure piece, though. Oregon's numbers have been low, but that's a whole lot of people and no social distancing.
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06-03-2020, 02:49 PM
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Re: Objectively intelligent.
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Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
The 15 year old really wants to participate in the protests here. I think that is great, and I think we can do it safely from a civil unrest standpoint. I'm worried about the virus exposure piece, though. Oregon's numbers have been low, but that's a whole lot of people and no social distancing.
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We've been to 38th and Chicago, where Mr. Floyd was killed, which has turned into a memorial, but not attended protests. There, nearly everyone is wearing masks and it's mostly standing around, so you can at least tell yourself you're staying away from people.
Of course, my MIL, one of the people with underlying conditions we're trying to keep alive, can't help herself to get close talking to one of the AP photographers who look a picture of the kid leaving a flower.
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06-03-2020, 05:41 PM
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Random Syndicate (admin)
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Re: Objectively intelligent.
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Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
The 15 year old really wants to participate in the protests here. I think that is great, and I think we can do it safely from a civil unrest standpoint. I'm worried about the virus exposure piece, though. Oregon's numbers have been low, but that's a whole lot of people and no social distancing.
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I didn't go to the one here yesterday, but looking at the footage there was NO way to stay 6 feet from anyone else. Most were wearing masks though.
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"In the olden days before the internet, you'd take this sort of person for a ride out into the woods and shoot them, as Darwin intended, before he could spawn."--Will the Vampire People Leave the Lobby? pg 79
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06-03-2020, 06:19 PM
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#2009
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Re: Objectively intelligent.
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan
I didn't go to the one here yesterday, but looking at the footage there was NO way to stay 6 feet from anyone else. Most were wearing masks though.
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Pretty much. Also, there was a llama. Because Portland.

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06-03-2020, 07:44 PM
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#2010
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Re: Objectively intelligent.
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Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
Pretty much. Also, there was a llama. Because Portland.

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We had a trail ride, because Houston.

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