Objectively intelligent.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

Holy crap, where have you been?? The current occupant of the White House is a walking demonstration that you can't call out "bad faith" successfully. The only option is to stop engaging with those acting in bad faith.

You amaze me with your level of stupidity. Everyone knows Trump is lying, almost all the time.

They’ve accepted it.

They don’t have any faith in any politician, however, so an arch liar to them is an honest politician. How do you miss this?

Biden is a senile moron, a stooge for one last failed attempt at keeping the neoliberal dream alive. Trump is a similar stooge, only you get some gravy for the fossil fuel industry and some tax breaks out of him.

There is no reason to believe in anything either party is offering. You’ve varying degrees of bankrupt concepts and bullshit.

America is still fine, but our politics are dead. Our political systems and economic systems are dysfunctional beyond repair.

I can’t call out “bad faith” anywhere because almost no one is operating in good faith. Bernie might be the only one doing so, and that’s why both sides of the aisle insisted he was illegitimate from the start.

The parties agree to argue about a razor thin delta of economic points that separate them. But that’s subterfuge. To distinguish themselves cheaply while serving their corporate owners they jump onto issues like race, sex, lgbtq. Social wedges are easy mechanisms by which to polarize the credulous, or those who believe the need to or ought to believe in something because neoliberal economics has left them feeling every bit the nihilist they are.

We’re a country of liars and suckers. On any given day, every man is both.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

As long as the credulous realize Biden and and Trump aren’t basically the same and that Biden will win for sure anyway. Conf to seb drag me into these fights I snap back, hi!

I think I’m positioned okay. Biden better for assets. Trump better for taxes.

Problem is, Trump is also good for assets. So I’m voting against dollars. And if I think the system is fucked, which I do, then I think cash is king, so rationally, how do I vote for Biden?

But I can’t pull a lever for Trump because I find him simply too gross. My privilege to vote against my own economic interests, no?

But I can’t vote for Harris as VP, either.

I think I just stay home. I think Biden has this state in the bag anyway. And I’m getting sick and tired of being asked to select the lesser bag of shit.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I think I’m positioned okay. Biden better for assets. Trump better for taxes.

Problem is, Trump is also good for assets. So I’m voting against dollars. And if I think the system is fucked, which I do, then I think cash is king, so rationally, how do I vote for Biden?

But I can’t pull a lever for Trump because I find him simply too gross. My privilege to vote against my own economic interests, no?

But I can’t vote for Harris as VP, either.

I think I just stay home. I think Biden has this state in the bag anyway. And I’m getting sick and tired of being asked to select the lesser bag of shit.

Get that. you have soldiered on voting for the lesser bag of shit enough. Time for you to rest at home, or maybe even vote third party to evidence your protest?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

full disclosure, Penske once admitted to me that he was lying fairly often. I should have conveyed that to the rest of you. Plus, it turns out, I didn’t mean to lie, in retrospect, but my ty@50 sock predicted emotional and intellectual growth, plus a basic realization of having posted hateful lies, that the real ty has not evolved into. Mea culpa. Mea?

Penske said he sometimes drank boxed wine, but he really drank it all the time.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Correct. If you lie openly and badly, as Trump does, I don’t have to concern myself with people who ought to have brains buying your bullshit.

But that wasn't the issue. CNN told the truth about his lying, and you called them biased. Your instincts don't deal well with people who argue in bad faith, because you don't want to deal with it. Which encourages liars.

What needs to be fixed involves economic issues primarily.

You're just changing the subject.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Get that. you have soldiered on voting for the lesser bag of shit enough. Time for you to rest at home, or maybe even vote third party to evidence your protest?

This is good advice in that Sebastian has been selfless long enough, and it is time for him to start acting selfishly or even self-indulgently. One problem I see: his plan is based on his prediction about the future personal financial implications of voting for one candidate versus the other and, to date, his factual predictions about future events have been 100% wrong 100% of the time. So what should he do? Vote against his predicted personal financial interests on the assumption he will be wrong again? What if this ends up being the one prediction he makes that is actually right?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I think I’m positioned okay. Biden better for assets. Trump better for taxes.

Problem is, Trump is also good for assets. So I’m voting against dollars. And if I think the system is fucked, which I do, then I think cash is king, so rationally, how do I vote for Biden?

But I can’t pull a lever for Trump because I find him simply too gross. My privilege to vote against my own economic interests, no?

But I can’t vote for Harris as VP, either.

Ah, yes. The "sophisticated" view.

I think I just stay home. I think Biden has this state in the bag anyway. And I’m getting sick and tired of being asked to select the lesser bag of shit.

Worked so well last time. My god are you empty.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

You amaze me with your level of stupidity. Everyone knows Trump is lying, almost all the time.

They’ve accepted it.

They don’t have any faith in any politician, however, so an arch liar to them is an honest politician. How do you miss this?

Biden is a senile moron, a stooge for one last failed attempt at keeping the neoliberal dream alive. Trump is a similar stooge, only you get some gravy for the fossil fuel industry and some tax breaks out of him.

There is no reason to believe in anything either party is offering. You’ve varying degrees of bankrupt concepts and bullshit.

America is still fine, but our politics are dead. Our political systems and economic systems are dysfunctional beyond repair.

I can’t call out “bad faith” anywhere because almost no one is operating in good faith. Bernie might be the only one doing so, and that’s why both sides of the aisle insisted he was illegitimate from the start.

The parties agree to argue about a razor thin delta of economic points that separate them. But that’s subterfuge. To distinguish themselves cheaply while serving their corporate owners they jump onto issues like race, sex, lgbtq. Social wedges are easy mechanisms by which to polarize the credulous, or those who believe the need to or ought to believe in something because neoliberal economics has left them feeling every bit the nihilist they are.

We’re a country of liars and suckers. On any given day, every man is both.

I really don't want to get the elected officials that Sebby deserves.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

Worked so well last time. My god are you empty.

I'm fairly sure he was fucking with me on that line?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I'm fairly sure he was fucking with me on that line?

Maybe, but didn't read that way to me. I mean, he just said, "I can't vote for Harris as VP," which is a completely irrational statement (imagine looking at the the world of potential VPs and thinking, "yes, that Senator I find to 'corporate' is just beyond the pale.")

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I'm fairly sure he was fucking with me on that line?

Isn't it pretty to think so?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Adder

Maybe, but didn't read that way to me. I mean, he just said, "I can't vote for Harris as VP," which is a completely irrational statement (imagine looking at the the world of potential VPs and thinking, "yes, that Senator I find to 'corporate' is just beyond the pale.")

Too prosecutorial, I think.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Worth reading re Harper's and the public discourse:

This thread is really good

This response [to the Harper's letter, not to the thread above]

Don't know that I am completely agree with the latter, but after reading it I think I understand that much of the reaction to it had to do with the perception that the letter was revisionist history reframing a bunch of other disputes.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Worth reading re Harper's and the public discourse:

This thread is really good

This response [to the Harper's letter, not to the thread above]

Don't know that I am completely agree with the latter, but after reading it I think I understand that much of the reaction to it had to do with the perception that the letter was revisionist history reframing a bunch of other disputes.

I may sign on to @inlieuoffun today for their take. It's so unusual to have a free speech kerfuffle without any real discussion of the first amendment (since none of these people are focused on state action).

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

@inlieuoffun

???