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Old 04-15-2022, 08:12 PM   #1
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Elon Musk is taking over Twitter. He's dangerous. Why, is he going to preclude free speech? No. He's inclined to allow too much of it! We need more preclusion of it, to stop misinformation. What's misinformation? Well, just ask five people. And you'll get five different answers. But each one of those five assholes will be cocksure he's got the only true definition.
Here's a really good thread about what Musk would face if he bought Twitter.
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Old 04-15-2022, 09:43 PM   #2
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Musk has done some good in the world.

He really increased my respect for Cooley when he asked them to fire an associate who had come over from the SEC, where they were applying to law to douchebags like him, and Cooley told him to go fuck himself.

I've congratulated a couple friends there.
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Musk has done some good in the world.

He really increased my respect for Cooley when he asked them to fire an associate who had come over from the SEC, where they were applying to law to douchebags like him, and Cooley told him to go fuck himself.

I've congratulated a couple friends there.
Cooley is?
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Old 04-16-2022, 12:47 PM   #4
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Cooley is?
Top-tier patent firm, no offense.
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Old 04-17-2022, 02:01 AM   #5
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Cooley is?
A large law firm, originally SF-based. Maybe still, but now national or international.
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Today was my infusion day and we had a downright pleasant time on the mask front.

Yes, my oncologist is really upset with what is going on in the world on masking.

But after the infusion we went out to lunch to get something in me to flush out the poisons. And when my wife told them I was immunocompromised they found an empty back area for me, the staff masked up, and I got my safe space.

It is possible for a lot of people to be regularly not masking but to make the right effort at the right time and just be good and decent about it.

A couple of patrons who needed to pass through the area to get to the bathroom masked on the way, too, they saw we were, and they said, ok, then, let's take care.

But it was cambridge, so a bunch of libtards all around.
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Today was my infusion day and we had a downright pleasant time on the mask front.

Yes, my oncologist is really upset with what is going on in the world on masking.

But after the infusion we went out to lunch to get something in me to flush out the poisons. And when my wife told them I was immunocompromised they found an empty back area for me, the staff masked up, and I got my safe space.

It is possible for a lot of people to be regularly not masking but to make the right effort at the right time and just be good and decent about it.

A couple of patrons who needed to pass through the area to get to the bathroom masked on the way, too, they saw we were, and they said, ok, then, let's take care.

But it was cambridge, so a bunch of libtards all around.
Did you get Tonga? I never even heard of it.
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Did you get Tonga? I never even heard of it.
Got Tonga in 3!

The pacific islands are generally tough and there are a lot of them. My first guess got me to the islands, then it was just, oh, shit, which ones can I remember.
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It is possible for a lot of people to be regularly not masking but to make the right effort at the right time and just be good and decent about it.
The shit really shouldn't be optional. What is the inconvenience of wearing a mask unless you are eating, really? Certainly not more inconvenient than wearing a swimsuit at the beach and that's required in most places and the harm from seeing my nuts is nonexistent as opposed to breathing a virus.
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Old 04-17-2022, 05:59 PM   #10
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Idk why Twitter insists on listening to complaints at all. Offended people can go fuck themselves. Seriously. You don’t like what someone said? Okay. Well, take it up with that person. Twitter shouldn’t be playing policeman, at all.

It’s just words on an internet platform. And the offended are just people who are upset. Lots of people are upset at lots of things. There’s no duty for a platform to play referee for these complaints.

I’m sick of the offended. Sincerely, Fuck The Offended. Being offended isn’t a special quality. It doesn’t confer any gravitas or rights. You don’t like something? Don’t look at it. Or tell the person you’re offended. I doubt the offender will give a shit, as he probably intended to offend and by carping at him you’re just giving him what he wants. But if ignoring the offender isn’t enough for you, well, that’s your alternative. Have at it.

But don’t infect my news feed with stories about how offended you are, or try to ban people from offering their offending views to the rest of us who may not be offended by them. I don’t fucking care about the offended. And when they demand attention for being offended, they’re making themselves into something far worse than offensive: Irritating. And when they seek to censor what I can view on a platform, they’re fucking with the quality and quantity of content. That entitles me, IMO, to kick their actual IRL asses. …If only that were possible.

TL;DR: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6k73Rfyu0DI
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Idk why Twitter insists on listening to complaints at all. Offended people can go fuck themselves. Seriously. You don’t like what someone said? Okay. Well, take it up with that person. Twitter shouldn’t be playing policeman, at all.

It’s just words on an internet platform. And the offended are just people who are upset. Lots of people are upset at lots of things. There’s no duty for a platform to play referee for these complaints.

I’m sick of the offended. Sincerely, Fuck The Offended. Being offended isn’t a special quality. It doesn’t confer any gravitas or rights. You don’t like something? Don’t look at it. Or tell the person you’re offended. I doubt the offender will give a shit, as he probably intended to offend and by carping at him you’re just giving him what he wants. But if ignoring the offender isn’t enough for you, well, that’s your alternative. Have at it.

But don’t infect my news feed with stories about how offended you are, or try to ban people from offering their offending views to the rest of us who may not be offended by them. I don’t fucking care about the offended. And when they demand attention for being offended, they’re making themselves into something far worse than offensive: Irritating. And when they seek to censor what I can view on a platform, they’re fucking with the quality and quantity of content. That entitles me, IMO, to kick their actual IRL asses. …If only that were possible.

TL;DR: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6k73Rfyu0DI
Every platform does some kind of moderation because if they don't, things go south and the government (in the broad sense, including the courts) does something. None of them want to do it, because it's expensive and time consuming and a pain in the ass and, as that author says, they would all rather be spending time designing another feature. But they all do it, and they make mistakes, because that's inevitable too.
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Old 04-17-2022, 10:06 PM   #12
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Every platform does some kind of moderation because if they don't, things go south and the government (in the broad sense, including the courts) does something. None of them want to do it, because it's expensive and time consuming and a pain in the ass and, as that author says, they would all rather be spending time designing another feature. But they all do it, and they make mistakes, because that's inevitable too.
Agreed. The reason the govt, or the platform, must get involved, however, is because some officious people decide They Have A Gripe.

Fuck those people. Or, better yet, let’s all agree to Ignore Those People. And Ignore The People Who Wind Up Those Simpletons.

The rule should be what the rule always was: You’re offended? Turn the fucking channel. Or pick a fight with the agitator. It’s between the two of you, or your tribes, Not The Rest Of Us.

These “I’m Offended” assholes have been chipping away at free speech since Falwell sued Flynt, since Brent Bozell started boycotts decades ago.

Fuck these people. Fuck them all.
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Agreed. The reason the govt, or the platform, must get involved, however, is because some officious people decide They Have A Gripe.
Maybe you want to read that thread again, because you're missing the point. You and Elon both think Twitter should just let anything go because so what if a few people are offended. The issue is not that a few people get offended. The problem is that lots of people get hot and bothered and start doing things IRL that have real-world consequences.
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[A]t Certain Times, given Certain Circumstances, humans will Behave Badly when confronted with Certain Ideas, and if you are The Main Platform Where That Idea is Being Discussed, you cannot do NOTHING, because otherwise humans will continue behaving badly. ...

Because the problems are NOT about politics, or topics of discussion. They are about all the ways that humans misbehave when there are no immediately visible consequences, when talking to (essentially) strangers, and the endless ingenuity they display trying to get around rules.
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Old 04-18-2022, 05:43 PM   #14
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Maybe you want to read that thread again, because you're missing the point. You and Elon both think Twitter should just let anything go because so what if a few people are offended. The issue is not that a few people get offended. The problem is that lots of people get hot and bothered and start doing things IRL that have real-world consequences.
That's not Twitter's responsibility. That's not anyone's responsibility except for the nuts doing crazy things IRL.

The duty to "Combat misinformation" should not belong to platforms. They should be allowed to ban what they deem abhorrent or with which they do not desire to be associated. But they should not be compelled to act as "information quality control" for some ever shifting definition of society's best interests.

If people want to believe nonsense, that's on them. If they act badly as a result, we have law enforcement to address that.

This idea of pre-emptive avoidance of bad behavior via manipulation has a Huxley/Orwell stink to it. A kissing cousin intellectually to China's "Social Credit" policy. I think invoking Orwell is a Godwin's Law violation of sorts (not Huxley, who I think isn't appreciated enough), but here, that smell is so pungent its apt.
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That's not Twitter's responsibility. That's not anyone's responsibility except for the nuts doing crazy things IRL.

The duty to "Combat misinformation" should not belong to platforms. They should be allowed to ban what they deem abhorrent or with which they do not desire to be associated. But they should not be compelled to act as "information quality control" for some ever shifting definition of society's best interests.

If people want to believe nonsense, that's on them. If they act badly as a result, we have law enforcement to address that.

This idea of pre-emptive avoidance of bad behavior via manipulation has a Huxley/Orwell stink to it. A kissing cousin intellectually to China's "Social Credit" policy. I think invoking Orwell is a Godwin's Law violation of sorts (not Huxley, who I think isn't appreciated enough), but here, that smell is so pungent its apt.
Which Orwell book are you referencing? Coming Up For Air? Keep the Aspidistra Flying? Down and Out In Paris and London?

I can’t think of a single thread that will tie those three.

Or do you mean Animal Farm and 1984? Because if that is what you mean than you are as poorly read as Ty himself.
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