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[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

So, in your scenario, if Trump had found a sympathizer in the Georgia Secretary of State, and maybe a couple of others in the Justice Department, the military would have stepped in and stopped the steal? Really? Maybe, maybe not. I don’t know and you don’t either. But the problem with the delusionally arrogant is that, no matter how many times they are proven wrong, they are still 100% right about everything else all the time, and everyone who disagrees is a hair-on-fire hysterical alarmist in an echo chamber. And by they time the delusionally arrogant are proven wrong yet again, and offer their weak, self-serving mea culpas, it is too late. COVID is killing 2,000 people a day, not 2,000 total. Roe v. Wade is dead and the right to gay marriage is not far behind.

I once told Sebastian about my uncle who was so overtly racist that he disowned his daughter because she married a successful black man. I noted that my uncle faced essentially no personal or professional consequences in his little Greenwich, CT world for his overt racism. Sebastian nonetheless insisted that this was not the case, that this type of overt racism was Simply. Not. Tolerated. I shared this story with my cousin and her husband, and her husband said, “Do you know how many white people have explained to me over the years how the overt racism I personally experienced did not actually exist?”

Yeah, and for years I carped here about how the country was devolving and we'd see civil disobedience and loss of control by authorities because even the dumbest fuckers out there realized they were being lied to and economic neoliberalism by its very design viewed the losers in the modern economy as nothing more than necessary collateral damage.

People told me that was nuts. Adder cited Adam Smith about how the destruction of one set of workers leads to more jobs for others, the most facile response one could muster in reply to such a charge.

I was correct. Trump came along like a pied piper and led Grievance Nation to become a huge political power that is now imperiling democracy. I didn't see that, but it's hardly surprising they eventually found a leader.

But so what? So I predicted the future. It's not like anyone was going to do anything about it. You think if Trump hadn't come along the problems wouldn't arise? He's a symptom, not a cause. Again, symptom, not cause.

And me being right is worth about as much as you being right that Trump would try to thwart the will of the people. What did anyone do about it? Nothing. The systems held and his coup failed, as would always be the case.

But what remains is important. Those angry fuckers of Grievance Nation aren't going anywhere. Or worse, they're amassing behind DeSantis, who can actually get things they like done.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Trump did not and still doesn't represent a serious threat to democracy.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Trump came along like a pied piper and led Grievance Nation to become a huge political power that is now imperiling democracy.

No rush, but why don't you make up your mind.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

No rush, but why don't you make up your mind.

Why don’t you read the whole thing?

Trump couldn’t pull off a coup. There was 0.000 chance of that. Grievance Nation, OTOH, is about to paint the country red this fall. They, and particularly if they get DeSantis in office in 2024, can usher in quiet, incremental authoritarianism.

Trump’s like an evil, dumb Moses. He could never get to full Mussolini-ness. And if he’d stayed in charge, he’d fuck it up. But his followers might assist DeSantis in getting there.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Why don’t you read the whole thing?

Trump couldn’t pull off a coup. There was 0.000 chance of that. Grievance Nation, OTOH, is about to paint the country red this fall. They, and particularly if they get DeSantis in office in 2024, can usher in quiet, incremental authoritarianism.

Trump’s like an evil, dumb Moses. He could never get to full Mussolini-ness. And if he’d stayed in charge, he’d fuck it up. But his followers might assist DeSantis in getting there.

When you get yourself into a logic hole, your instinct is to dig even more furiously. A 0.000 chance! Wow, that’s low. Those are the same odds you gave of Roe being overturned. But I get it. Even when you’re always wrong, you’re always right.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I was correct.

Someone with your track record should be very careful about typing those words. You only think you're correct because of your incorrect stereotype of who the Trump backers are.

They are not the economically downtrodden. They are just white people.

[Replaced_Texan]

This month, the Supreme Court has

1) made abortion illegal
2) made school prayer legal
3) made a 100 year old gun control law invalid
4) overturned Miranda rights
5) made it illegal for the EPA to regulate emissions
6) limited Native American sovereignty

More for the whole year here.
And somehow expanding the Court is the radical idea???

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

This month, the Supreme Court has

1) made abortion illegal
2) made school prayer legal
3) made a 100 year old gun control law invalid
4) overturned Miranda rights
5) made it illegal for the EPA to regulate emissions
6) limited Native American sovereignty

More for the whole year here.
And somehow expanding the Court is the radical idea???

And the big one: can a state legislator assign the electors they want without regard to voting?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/30/u...core-ios-share

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

Someone with your track record should be very careful about typing those words. You only think you're correct because of your incorrect stereotype of who the Trump backers are.

They are not the economically downtrodden. They are just white people.

This from someone who thought China's Covid policy was a good idea?

They are not just white racists. If you think its primarily racism, or are unable to grasp how those who are economically screwed gravitate to racism among a basket of other grievances, you're clueless.

And Grievance Nation is no longer Trumper backers alone, nor is its impact limited to that crowd. It's making inroads all over the place. I'm seeing moderates flip red. I can't vote red this fall because the candidates offered to me are simply unacceptable. Like, really fucking unacceptable. But a lot of independents like me are doing so.

Of course it's mostly economic. People think, wrongly, that changing Congress and possibly the Senate will change gas prices and lower inflation. They're too dumb to realize that high gas prices and inflation tend to cure themselves. You just have to wait a bit.

But it's also cultural. Moderates are sick of people who think like you do. The view that racism is the primary reason for everything is offensive for a number of reasons. To me it's offensive because it's stupid, reductionist, and a narrative fancied by credulous virtue junkies. It's more embarrassing than anything else. But a lot of people of otherwise moderate bent, swing voters, have had some pretty choice words for me when I assert that our justice system is racist, which is true. The inroads made on that front with conservatives, before progressives like you started occupying center stage in these policy debates over the past two years, are now destroyed. I suspect these people hear views like yours and think, "Fuck these progressives." And so the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater. If I say I support Larry Krasner, I don't just take a faceful of shit from law and order troglodytes. Now I take it from the middle. From moderate Democrats as well.

You are not even liked by your own party. Moderate Democrats recognize that doctrinaire, mindless progressives are alienating exactly the voters they need this fall. Joe Biden would be 10 points up if he'd told the progressive wing of his party to fuck itself publicly.

You can tell yourself this is because of the right wing media painting progressives poorly. And some of that may be true. In that regard, you're a useful idiot. But more generally, the things ardent progressives say sound naive, utopian, strident, and silly. People roll their eyes. They're sick of it.

There aren't enough of you to matter this fall, and I think a lot of the middle will stay home. Good luck this November countering the pissed off moderates who do show up and vote what they think is their pocketbooks and the army of right wingers that seems to be expanding.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

They are not just white racists. If you think its primarily racism, or are unable to grasp how those who are economically screwed gravitate to racism among a basket of other grievances, you're clueless.

Once again, his base is not the economically downtrodden.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

Once again, his base is not the economically downtrodden.

Really? Why do you think that?

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Really? Why do you think that?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...class-support/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...working-class/

https://www.vanderbilt.edu/unity/202...ept-them-away/

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...class-support/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...working-class/

https://www.vanderbilt.edu/unity/202...ept-them-away/

https://clerk.macombgov.org/sites/de...ber_4_2008.pdf

https://clerk.macombgov.org/sites/de...ber16/105.html

This is 2008 and 2016 election results in Macomb County. The % for Trump flipped 10% compared to McCain. The 2008 numbers held in 2012 and the 2016 in 2020.

It's where I grew up. I remember after college a friend got a chance to be campaign manager for an R congress candidate. I joined in because of lots of $$$ to spend. I remember working a poll on election day. A huge % of the voters came in holding a piece of paper where the UAW told them they need to vote D. Our whole campaign was pointless. But anyhoo, it is VERY working class.

And the problem with those articles (beyond exit polls- who would say what they actually make?) is the comparison to "average." The really really poor around here vote D in amazing %s. And those people take down the "average."

But those aren't who Sebby is talking about. Sebby is talking about people who have a bit to lose, and are seeing it erode away. I am sure some wealthy people vote Trump, but the vast majority of who I see around here sporting Trump 2024 flags or Don't tread on Me flags, or, just recently flying Fuck Biden flags (in Northern Mi a month ago to pick up my new puppy I saw all 3 flags flying in the same pick up truck bed!) are not wealthy people.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Really? Why do you think that?

Because many, many people have written about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...working-class/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...n-they-appear/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...my-prri-survey

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ump-exit-polls

Trump voters are full of grievances, but that doesn't mean that they are worse off than other people, just that they feel more entitled.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Because many, many people have written about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...working-class/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...n-they-appear/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...my-prri-survey

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ump-exit-polls

Trump voters are full of grievances, but that doesn't mean that they are worse off than other people, just that they feel more entitled.

Try to reply to Hank. Or don’t. I don’t care. He and I live where shit matters in terms of voting and such. You do you, and enjoy November.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Because many, many people have written about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...working-class/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...n-they-appear/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...my-prri-survey

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ump-exit-polls

Trump voters are full of grievances, but that doesn't mean that they are worse off than other people, just that they feel more entitled.

I've written about it too.