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[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

They are not just white racists. If you think its primarily racism, or are unable to grasp how those who are economically screwed gravitate to racism among a basket of other grievances, you're clueless.

Once again, his base is not the economically downtrodden.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

Once again, his base is not the economically downtrodden.

Really? Why do you think that?

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Really? Why do you think that?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...class-support/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...working-class/

https://www.vanderbilt.edu/unity/202...ept-them-away/

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...class-support/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...working-class/

https://www.vanderbilt.edu/unity/202...ept-them-away/

https://clerk.macombgov.org/sites/de...ber_4_2008.pdf

https://clerk.macombgov.org/sites/de...ber16/105.html

This is 2008 and 2016 election results in Macomb County. The % for Trump flipped 10% compared to McCain. The 2008 numbers held in 2012 and the 2016 in 2020.

It's where I grew up. I remember after college a friend got a chance to be campaign manager for an R congress candidate. I joined in because of lots of $$$ to spend. I remember working a poll on election day. A huge % of the voters came in holding a piece of paper where the UAW told them they need to vote D. Our whole campaign was pointless. But anyhoo, it is VERY working class.

And the problem with those articles (beyond exit polls- who would say what they actually make?) is the comparison to "average." The really really poor around here vote D in amazing %s. And those people take down the "average."

But those aren't who Sebby is talking about. Sebby is talking about people who have a bit to lose, and are seeing it erode away. I am sure some wealthy people vote Trump, but the vast majority of who I see around here sporting Trump 2024 flags or Don't tread on Me flags, or, just recently flying Fuck Biden flags (in Northern Mi a month ago to pick up my new puppy I saw all 3 flags flying in the same pick up truck bed!) are not wealthy people.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

https://clerk.macombgov.org/sites/de...ber_4_2008.pdf

https://clerk.macombgov.org/sites/de...ber16/105.html

This is 2008 and 2016 election results in Macomb County. The % for Trump flipped 10% compared to McCain. The 2008 numbers held in 2012 and the 2016 in 2020.

It's where I grew up. I remember after college a friend got a chance to be campaign manager for an R congress candidate. I joined in because of lots of $$$ to spend. I remember working a poll on election day. A huge % of the voters came in holding a piece of paper where the UAW told them they need to vote D. Our whole campaign was pointless. But anyhoo, it is VERY working class.

And the problem with those articles (beyond exit polls- who would say what they actually make?) is the comparison to "average." The really really poor around here vote D in amazing %s. And those people take down the "average."

But those aren't who Sebby is talking about. Sebby is talking about people who have a bit to lose, and are seeing it erode away. I am sure some wealthy people vote Trump, but the vast majority of who I see around here sporting Trump 2024 flags or Don't tread on Me flags, or, just recently flying Fuck Biden flags (in Northern Mi a month ago to be up my new puppy I saw all 3 flags flying in the same pick up truck bed!) are not wealthy people.

When they use household income, also consider a lot of younger voters in and around cities vote D. Their household is 1. $72k for 1 is different than $72k for a family of 4.

https://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/vie...t=ttcsp_papers

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

https://clerk.macombgov.org/sites/de...ber_4_2008.pdf

https://clerk.macombgov.org/sites/de...ber16/105.html

This is 2008 and 2016 election results in Macomb County. The % for Trump flipped 10% compared to McCain. The 2008 numbers held in 2012 and the 2016 in 2020.

It's where I grew up. I remember after college a friend got a chance to be campaign manager for an R congress candidate. I joined in because of lots of $$$ to spend. I remember working a poll on election day. A huge % of the voters came in holding a piece of paper where the UAW told them they need to vote D. Our whole campaign was pointless. But anyhoo, it is VERY working class.

And the problem with those articles (beyond exit polls- who would say what they actually make?) is the comparison to "average." The really really poor around here vote D in amazing %s. And those people take down the "average."

But those aren't who Sebby is talking about. Sebby is talking about people who have a bit to lose, and are seeing it erode away. I am sure some wealthy people vote Trump, but the vast majority of who I see around here sporting Trump 2024 flags or Don't tread on Me flags, or, just recently flying Fuck Biden flags (in Northern Mi a month ago to pick up my new puppy I saw all 3 flags flying in the same pick up truck bed!) are not wealthy people.

You asked a question, I was curious, did a quick Google search and sent you some results. Your anecdotes don’t really persuade me the articles are not accurate, but I also don’t really care. Just trying to be helpful. Because I am a good Lawtalkers citizen.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

You asked a question, I was curious, did a quick Google search and sent you some results. Your anecdotes don’t really persuade me the articles are not accurate, but I also don’t really care. Just trying to be helpful. Because I am a good Lawtalkers citizen.

Same same.

Although election results are anecdotes in Minnesota? That was Trump’s claim about election results IIRC?

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Same same.

Although election results are anecdotes in Minnesota? That was Trump’s claim about election results IIRC?

I didn’t read your links. Or, to be honest, much of your post. I’m not sure if I mentioned this earlier, but I don’t care.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

You asked a question, I was curious, did a quick Google search and sent you some results. Your anecdotes don’t really persuade me the articles are not accurate, but I also don’t really care. Just trying to be helpful. Because I am a good Lawtalkers citizen.

A very simple way to think about it is that his supporters are white. The set of white people in this country, overall, is more affluent than the set of people.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

A very simple way to think about it is that his supporters are white. The set of white people in this country, overall, is more affluent than the set of people.

Exactly, which is why looking at "average" misses Sebby's point.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Adder

A very simple way to think about it is that his supporters are white. The set of white people in this country, overall, is more affluent than the set of people.

But it's not just that. The more affluent a white person is, the more likely they are to vote for Trump. It's really not in question.

What confuses things somewhat is that more affluent parts of the country (coastal and urban areas) and of states (cities) are more likely not to.

Hank can post results from Macomb County, and they tell you something, but they don't tell you who in Macomb County voted for Trump and who didn't. Neither do the jackasses who drive around with flags on their trucks. I saw one of those yesterday in Santa Cruz County, but so what.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Really? Why do you think that?

Because many, many people have written about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...working-class/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...n-they-appear/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...my-prri-survey

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ump-exit-polls

Trump voters are full of grievances, but that doesn't mean that they are worse off than other people, just that they feel more entitled.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Because many, many people have written about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...working-class/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...n-they-appear/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...my-prri-survey

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ump-exit-polls

Trump voters are full of grievances, but that doesn't mean that they are worse off than other people, just that they feel more entitled.

Try to reply to Hank. Or don’t. I don’t care. He and I live where shit matters in terms of voting and such. You do you, and enjoy November.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Because many, many people have written about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...working-class/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...n-they-appear/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...my-prri-survey

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ump-exit-polls

Trump voters are full of grievances, but that doesn't mean that they are worse off than other people, just that they feel more entitled.

I've written about it too.