Politics: Onward from New Hampshire

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
If I had sent you $1 to vote for McClintock, would that have been a bribe?

If I accepted $1 million from Saddam to stop the US invasion, and then argued publicly that the invasion must be stopped on moral grounds while denying any financial link, would that be honorable?

(I know, I know - direct financial reward for taking a stand cannot be used as evidence of the motivation of that stand, because that would be an assertion of "bias", the relevance of which you do not recognize.)

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
If I had sent you $1 to vote for McClintock, would that have been a bribe?

I can't believe you are really going to attempt to defend this. Now I know my suspicions have been right all along. You are not an idealogue, just a contrarian.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
If I had sent you $1 to vote for McClintock, would that have been a bribe?

Yes. Plus, there are other reasons to think Chirac is dirty (i.e. U.S. criminal corruption cases vs. very well-connected French companies. Google it.)

S_A_M

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
If I had sent you $1 to vote for McClintock, would that have been a bribe?

Well, I guess that clears Halliburton in your mind.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by bilmore
Gets my vote as the most gratuitously nasty line of the day. More than even AG's stuff.

I didn't write it. I'm the kinder, gentler Hank. That's what a 14-2 record does for you, I'm getting fat and happy!

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I didn't write it. I'm the kinder, gentler Hank. That's what a 14-2 record does for you, I'm getting fat and happy!

I just didn't have the html skilz (or patience) to show a quote within a quote.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Well, I guess that clears Halliburton in your mind.

I have no particular problem with Halliburton, nor do I think highly of Jacques Chirac. I will admit to being a contrarian. My point is that both Club and I voted for McClintock, so is it a bribe if I pay him and then he does something he was going to do anyway? Are fat-cat Republicans bribing George Bush when they donate to his campaign? I don't think so.

If some of you think the only reason that France opposed the war was that Iraq paid France off, and that this is proven by this document, I have a bridge to sell you. Did Iraq bribe Germany and Russia et al. too?

et amplify and extend my remarks

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
If some of you think the only reason that France opposed the war was that Iraq paid France off, and that this is proven by this document, I have a bridge to sell you.

If some of you think it wasn't at least a reason, I'd like you to wire me funds so I can travel to see your bridge.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

double-post

[Tyrone Slothrop]

JFC already

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
If some of you think the only reason that France opposed the war was that Iraq paid France off, and that this is proven by this document, I have a bridge to sell you.

That, plus current contracts, plus debt, plus their self appointed roll to "balance" the US. All contributing factors. But the point is that it was not a stance based on morals. Let me be the first to coin the phrase "Chirac Lied!"

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
That, plus current contracts, plus debt, plus their self appointed roll to "balance" the US. All contributing factors. But the point is that it was not a stance based on morals. Let me be the first to coin the phrase "Chirac Lied!"

How did he lie? I'm perfectly willing to accept that Chirac lied, but I'm not sure what you're talking about. And when you say "it was not a stance based on morals," what do you mean? Why is it a bribe if you give money to someone whose "morals" leads them to agree with you? It seems to me that the essence of that word is that they change their position in your favor. That's what I'm not seeing here.

T (is for usage Timmy) S

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone_Slothrop
If some of you think the only reason that France opposed the war was that Iraq paid France off, and that this is proven by this document, I have a bridge to sell you. Did Iraq bribe Germany and Russia et al. too?

et amplify and extend my remarks

Hold the phone, because I actually agree with you.

Any bribe was clearly secondary toi Chirac's true purpose - to make his "third-world country with a nuke" appear relevant in world politics by sticking a thumb in the eye of the US.

And to many Europeans (and Deaniacs), it worked like a charm.


and BTW, yes, Russia and China are also named as recipients

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Hold the phone, because I actually agree with you.

Any bribe was clearly secondary toi Chirac's true purpose - to make his "third-world country with a nuke" appear relevant in world politics by sticking a thumb in the eye of the US.

And to many Europeans (and Deaniacs), it worked like a charm.

and BTW, yes, Russia and China are also named as recipients

Burger's point is well taken -- using this to attack France makes about as much sense to me as all the attacks about Halliburton.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Yes. Plus, there are other reasons to think Chirac is dirty (i.e. U.S. criminal corruption cases vs. very well-connected French companies. Google it.)

Not to mention Chirac's longstanding very chummy relationship with SH personally, which itself is none too clean (google Chirac and Iraq and nuclear).