Making Baby Jesus Cry - Page 105

Penske_Account · 08-15-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
I think I'm getting this. It's 'cause he's not Muslim, right?

I am not sure, do you hate the jews? Do you support Arafat and bin laden's calls for genocide? Does Gerry Adams support genocide for anyone?

Penske_Account · 08-15-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
This is because one side is Muslim, right?

That's just bullshit. One's side's stated goal is to drive the other side into the sea. The other side's stated goal is to live in peace with reasonable and defensible boundaries (which will be something less than what they are entitled to).

Why are you against Israel's existence? Why do you support proponents of genocide?

baltassoc · 08-15-2005, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
That's just bullshit. One's side's stated goal is to drive the other side into the sea. The other side's stated goal is to live in peace with reasonable and defensible boundaries (which will be something less than what they are entitled to).

This is simply untrue. Or rather is a massive distortion. There are at least as high a percentage of Palistinians whose goal is to live in peace with reasonable and defensible boundaries as there are Israelis. You can't quote the radicals on the one side and the mainstream on the other.

Well, you can, but then it looks like you have an agenda.

Penske_Account · 08-15-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
To get them to do our dirty work?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5908785

And let's not forget the case of Jonathon Pollard, who passed on U.S. secrets regarding the former Soviet Union, which the Israelis then passed along to the Soviet Union in return for Jewish scientists and technology to enhance their nuclear missile program

I am all for Pollard rotting in an American jail.

SlaveNoMore · 08-15-2005, 07:14 PM

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baltassoc
There are at least as high a percentage of Palistinians whose goal is to live in peace with reasonable and defensible boundaries as there are Israelis.

Cite please.

Penske_Account · 08-15-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
This is simply untrue. Or rather is a massive distortion. There are at least as high a percentage of Palistinians whose goal is to live in peace with reasonable and defensible boundaries as there are Israelis. You can't quote the radicals on the one side and the mainstream on the other.

Well, you can, but then it looks like you have an agenda.

that's bullshit. It is the Palestinian leadership that articulates the goal. the people support it. It's not a minority, it is the Palestinian policy position.

Is your agenda disinformation to ensure the destruction of Israel?

Shape Shifter · 08-15-2005, 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
I am all for Pollard rotting in an American jail.

2. But let's not forget that he remains a popular figure among certain right wing factions within Israel. They are who we need to be careful of.

baltassoc · 08-15-2005, 07:21 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
I am not sure, do you hate the jews? Do you support Arafat and bin laden's calls for genocide? Does Gerry Adams support genocide for anyone?

Let me be unequivical in answering your question in a way that you are unwilling or unable: I do not hate Jews. The suggestion that my disagreement with some of the policies and actions of the government of Israel is antisemetic is patently offensive to me. You bandy it around like it's a joke, but it is not. It is a serious accusation and I will not let it stand. As far as I am concerned, this discussion is over, you ignorant bigot.

And yes, at lest according to his early works, Gerry Adams pretty much was in support of killing as many prods as possible. For the record, I do not hate Protestants or Catholics either. I do, however, hold Gerry Adams and Ian Paiseley in almost equal contempt (although Adams has at least attempted to make compromises in his later years)

SlaveNoMore · 08-15-2005, 07:26 PM

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SlaveNoMore
Cite please.

Here, I'll give you the first one I found from Google.

JMCC Public Opinion Poll No. 48 On Palestinian Attitudes Towards the Palestinian Situation in General
http://www.jmcc.org/publicpoll/results/2003/no48.htm
April 2003

Q.11 What is your feeling towards suicide bombing operations against Israeli civilians, do you support it or oppose it?

Strongly support 37.8
Somewhat support 22.1
Strongly oppose 11.7
Somewhat oppose 18.6
I Don't Know 6.7
No answer 3.1

Sidd Finch · 08-15-2005, 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I swallowed.

Apparently I missed a lot while I was away.

Penske_Account · 08-15-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
Let me be unequivical in answering your question in a way that you are unwilling or unable: I do not hate Jews. The suggestion that my disagreement with some of the policies and actions of the government of Israel is antisemetic is patently offensive to me. You bandy it around like it's a joke, but it is not. It is a serious accusation and I will not let it stand. As far as I am concerned, this discussion is over, you ignorant bigot.

Its interesting how the left uses a tactic where its okay to imply that I am racist or bigoted with regards to Muslims, but if the tables are turned, you are insulted. Truth hurts, I guess.

By the way, here is the guy and his group, which apparently you give moral equivalency with Israel to circa 1998.

Arafat Invokes 1974 Phased Plan Calling for Israel's Destruction

Arafat: When the prophet Muhammad made the Khudaibiya agreement, he agreed to remove his title "messenger of Allah" from the agreement. Then, Omar bin Khatib and the others referred to this agreement as the "inferior peace agreement." Of course, I do not compare myself to the prophet, but I do say that we must learn from his steps and those of Salah a-Din. The peace agreement which we signed is an "inferior peace". The conditions [behind it] are the intifada, which lasted for seven years.

[Note: Arafat is referring to the Khudaibiya agreement made by Muhammad with the Arabian tribe of Koreish. The pact, slated to last for ten years, was broken within two years, when the Islamic forces - having used the peace pact to become stronger - conquered the Koreish tribe. His reference to Salah a-Din is to the Muslim leader who, after a cease-fire, declared a jihad against the Crusaders and captured Jerusalem.]

Sidd Finch · 08-15-2005, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
This is simply untrue. Or rather is a massive distortion. There are at least as high a percentage of Palistinians whose goal is to live in peace with reasonable and defensible boundaries as there are Israelis. You can't quote the radicals on the one side and the mainstream on the other.

Your final sentence sounds right... except that the radicals on the Arab/Palestinian side seem to be a lot more influential that the radicals on the Israeli side.

Shape Shifter · 08-15-2005, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Apparently I missed a lot while I was away.

balt was cuckold, RT and balt are now an item, they used to be cute on the boards but then everyone got sick of hearing them coo at each other.

Did I skip anything?

Sidd Finch · 08-15-2005, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Here, I'll give you the first one I found from Google.

JMCC Public Opinion Poll No. 48 On Palestinian Attitudes Towards the Palestinian Situation in General
http://www.jmcc.org/publicpoll/results/2003/no48.htm
April 2003

Q.11 What is your feeling towards suicide bombing operations against Israeli civilians, do you support it or oppose it?

Strongly support 37.8
Somewhat support 22.1
Strongly oppose 11.7
Somewhat oppose 18.6
I Don't Know 6.7
No answer 3.1

Let me guess -- the last group all blew themselves up by Question 10?

(They probably should have gone into a "REALLY Strongly Support" category)

ltl/fb · 08-15-2005, 07:34 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
balt was cuckold, RT and balt are now an item, they used to be cute on the boards but then everyone got sick of hearing them coo at each other.

Did I skip anything?

The bloom may have gone off the rose a bit when balt pulled out and came on her face instead of letting her swallow, which is apparently her preferred option.