Waiting for Fitzgerald - Page 108

Penske_Account · 10-04-2005, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Usually, a philospohical conversion this profound would require a change in administrations.

Not in my case. I have been on public record for a long time as having a similar conversion (at least in the sense of support to non-support) with Bush I.

Penske_Account · 10-04-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
No attempt to misguide; Bush really believes she's qualified. His intelligence on her is solid.

Nothing in Hamilton's work or my sentence indicated an attempt to misguide. MY statement was one of subjective judgment. As for Bush's judgment on her qualifications, on his press conference statements alone, that judgment is obviously born out of a spirit of favouritism and personal attachment to him, which is exactly what Hamilton is cautioning against. I pray the Senate does its duty (unlike their sad abdication of the same in Clinton's impeachment trial).

Penske_Account · 10-04-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
I agree with all that. It's just that, unlike Penske, I don't claim to be omniscient.

Dissent. I make no such claims, but at a base level, I do know right from wrong. The lack of such distinction by the Demos is what puts them out of touch with the common patriotic man and woman in America.

taxwonk · 10-04-2005, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Dissent. I make no such claims, but at a base level, I do know right from wrong. The lack of such distinction by the Demos is what puts them out of touch with the common patriotic man and woman in America.

I don't know that I agree with that. I think you may have your idea of what is right and wrong; we just disagree about what right and wrong are. You also display an incredible lack of ability to distinguish persons from your stereotypes.

Penske_Account · 10-04-2005, 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
I don't know that I agree with that. I think you may have your idea of what is right and wrong; we just disagree about what right and wrong are. You also display an incredible lack of ability to distinguish persons from your stereotypes.

Its that type of moral relativism that the Dems have tried to dumbdown on our nation with their spikey kool-aid and which leads to murderers, rapists, perjurers and Klansman as the leaders of the Demo party. Sad.

Sidd Finch · 10-04-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Its that type of moral relativism that the Dems have tried to dumbdown on our nation with their spikey kool-aid and which leads to murderers, rapists, perjurers and Klansman as the leaders of the Demo party. Sad.

It's this kind of post that leads me to conclude that you are a complete fucking asshole.

Penske_Account · 10-04-2005, 03:46 PM

Apparently Luttig and Harryette Miers are doing battle in the blogosphere. This "paper trail" can't help her nomination.

Penske_Account · 10-04-2005, 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
It's this kind of post that leads me to conclude that you are a complete fucking asshole.

I don't understand the level of your reaction.

1. We already concluded I was an arsehole.

2. An assertion that right and wrong is subjective is moral relativism. I assert that our inability as a nation to recognize and acknowledge that there are moral absolutes is a failing and turning every moral and socio-political analysis into a grey zone is detrimental.

3. You are not a leader of the Demo party, so nothing in there is directed at you personally.

4. The accusations are at least arguably based in fact, albeit disputed: (i) Certainly at the least in some jurisdictions Kennedy would have been tried for manslaughter. Maybe murder, depending on his intent. Its hard to know what it was because the Kennedy family corrupted the process, but its indisputable that he attempted to coerce his cousin to lie for him and take the blame, which is indicative of a guilty conscience. And MJK died (Ted lied, Mary Jo died). And TK is a leader of the dem party; (ii) Clinton is a perjurer, there is no question there and a leader of the party; (iii) Byrd was Klan Kleagle and a Grand Cyclops who made incredibly racist comments at an age when he was older than young Master Coltrane is now. And he is a leader of the Dem party; and (iv) Clinton has been accused of rape, and sexual harassment/battery by at least two women (Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey), and I believe that there were other "allegations" of the same type of illegal sex crime acts on his part from some of the other Jane Does 1-7 that were deposed in the Jones case. Not a proven rapist, but the fix was in. time and again.

Secret_Agent_Man · 10-04-2005, 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
It's this kind of post that leads me to conclude that you are a complete fucking asshole.

I think it is a mistake to take him too seriously, especially when you consider that the post you're commenting on came in response to a post accusing him of stereotyping.

S_A_M

Penske_Account · 10-04-2005, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I think it is a mistake to take him too seriously, especially when you consider that the post you're commenting on came in response to a post accusing him of stereotyping.

S_A_M

It's odd that as soon as I move to the left a bit, and even throw my support behind a dimwitted Senator Cantwell, that the really long knives of vitriolic politics of personal destruction come out.

Is this a manifestation of latent self-loathing from the leftwing?

Hank Chinaski · 10-04-2005, 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
It's odd that as soon as I move to the left a bit, and even throw my support behind a dimwitted Senator Cantwell, that the really long knives of vitriolic politics of personal destruction come out.

Is this a manifestation of latent self-loathing from the leftwing?

Maybe the hate is because they realize that if you did go left, your powers of rhetoric would quickly make you the standard barer for Ty's agenda here. Query: what relevent role would SAM have then?

Penske_Account · 10-04-2005, 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Maybe the hate is because they realize that if you did go left, your powers of rhetoric would quickly make you the standard barer for Ty's agenda here. Query: what relevent role would SAM have then?

In the shadows, no?