Politics: Where we struggle to kneel in the muck.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by bilmore
Oh, good. Screw up your argument, and then declare victory. I like it.

Wasn't there some effort at bi-partisianship before Jeffers switched? I recall Teddy and W, joking about some bill. It is hard to work with people who are fillibustering your every judicial appointment. How does one work with them?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Wasn't there some effort at bi-partisianship before Jeffers switched? I recall Teddy and W, joking about some bill. It is hard to work with people who are fillibustering your every judicial appointment. How does one work with them?

Well, it's a great argument - "he said he'd bring us together, and I still hate him, so he lied."

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by bilmore
Oh, good. Screw up your argument, and then declare victory. I like it.

This is like arguing with you about rap music, movies and tv. Pretty soon you're going to say, "I've never even heard Cheney speak."

1. You said the campaign promise was real. I said that they didn't even try. You said they didn't try because of what happened at the end of the campaign and before Bush took office. Then you said the last four years of mean-spiritedness by the Dems was the problem. Then you went back to your first argument. Whatever. The fact is, they pumped themselves up as the great uniters and didn't lift a fucking pinkie to follow through with the promise. Cheney says he never even met Edwards. You seem to think that it's all Michael Moore's fault.

2. I didn't screw up my argument. I merely noted that your argument was flawed and that I disagree with it. That is hardly a declaration of victory. It's more like, a declaration that arguing with you is fucking pointless.

TM

[Not Me]

Originally posted by bilmore
Oh, good. Screw up your argument, and then declare victory. I like it.

Hank invented that.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
P.S. I freely admit that I can't be neutral or purely objective, because I _might_ have even voted for Howard Dean over Bush. (That would have been even harder than voting for Dukakis over Bush I.)

Although Sebby was right about this yesterday, and it bothers Sebby to no end that any politician can be stoopid enough to do this, it appears that at the very least Dean was honest about his plans and positions. The rest lie to us and make us guess how much they want us to bleed. Dean just came right out and told us.

Don't get me wrong, he's a clueless socialist bastard. But I liked him, even though I agree with Sebby that it puts him in an unwinnable position, and would have voted for him just on principle. The principle being that I hate his politics. I hate his party (hyperbole!). I hate him (hyperbole!). But I love that he was so transparent.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Although Sebby was right about this yesterday, and it bothers Sebby to no end that any politician can be stoopid enough to do this, it appears that at the very least Dean was honest about his plans and positions. The rest lie to us and make us guess how much they want us to bleed. Dean just came right out and told us.

Did he really, though? My understanding was that the persona he projected pre-primary was greatly at odds with who he has been over his political years. If he had intended to stick with this new persona once elected, then I'd agree with you, but it seemed to be enough of a change to suggest that he was merely campaigning to polls, and would likely switch back to what he really was (in the past) once the election was over.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
or not.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...t6.html?sub=AR

"The 1991 Persian Gulf War and subsequent U.N. inspections destroyed Iraq's illicit weapons capability and, for the most part, Saddam Hussein did not try to rebuild it, according to an extensive report by the chief U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq that contradicts nearly every prewar assertion made by top administration officials about Iraq.

"Charles A. Duelfer, whom the Bush administration chose to complete the U.S. investigation of Iraq's weapons programs, said Hussein's ability to produce nuclear weapons had 'progressively decayed' since 1991. Inspectors, he said, found no evidence of 'concerted efforts to restart the program.'

"The findings were similar on biological and chemical weapons. While Hussein had long dreamed of developing an arsenal of biological agents, his stockpiles had been destroyed and research stopped years before the United States led the invasion of Iraq in March 2003. Duelfer said Hussein hoped someday to resume a chemical weapons effort after U.N. sanctions ended, but had no stocks and had not researched making the weapons for a dozen years."


Is the silence on this report because it just confirms what all now admit? The administration's own report now shows (among other things) that Saddam had zero bio/chem stockpiles and was regressing, not progressing, on the nuclear front. This link is to an article -- but there are more analytical pieces in that edition too. "Gathering threat" my ass.

S_A_M

P.S. I would never say "Cheney Lied!", but he was, at the least, very seriously mistaken and does not wish to talk about it.

I thought Not Me said that all the WMDs were moved to Syria prior to/during the war.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...12933_2004oct6

Unanimous rebuke of DeLay from the Ethics Committee. Fucking asshole.

R(can you tell that I hate this motherfucker)T

Tell us again what DeLay did wrong?

I find it a wonder that this hasn't gotten more play.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134586,00.html

Just when Atticus seemed to be fading one of his predictions pops up true....

quote:
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Hatch: End Ban on Foreign-Born President
Wednesday, October 06, 2004

CAPITOL HILL — . . .

The head of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Utah's Orrin Hatch (search), opposes the constitutional provision barring naturalized citizens from holding the nation's top office. He calls it "an anachronism that is decidedly un-American."

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I don't disagree with Sen. Hatch, but I would also extend his reasoning to the 2d Am. and Dick Cheney.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I don't disagree with Sen. Hatch, but I would also extend his reasoning to the 2d Am. and Dick Cheney.

175. How's Your Sister?
gs: Nana Moore (Sheila) Jineane Ford (Terri) Catherine Gilmour (Patti) Kelbe Nugent (Judy) David L. Lander (Squendelyn)

Squiggy's bizarre sister, Squendolyn, arrives for a visit and ends up moving in with Laverne and falling for Carmine.


b: 01-Mar-1983 pc: 174 w: Roger Garrett d: Tom Trbovich


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[Not Bob]

Natalie Portman campaigning for John Kerry:

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by bilmore
I understand your intentional obtusity (obtusiousity? obtuscatoriness?) and will try to make this clearer.

You: The campaign promise to "unite" was hooey.

Me: Not when made. But, when it became apparent that the other side of the aisle was all drinking from the same koolaid cooler, and screaming "he's Hitler's reincarnation!!", (which began in earnest in the last days of the same campaign in which he had made that "uniter" pledge), there was no longer any possibility that anything he could do would effect that pledge, aside from doing everything the Dems wanted him to do, and I doubt that that was his burden at that point.

Okay. Explain Ashcroft.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Natalie Portman campaigning for John Kerry:

You realize that the only other time she was involved in Politics she fucked up a whole galaxy, right?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...12933_2004oct6

Unanimous rebuke of DeLay from the Ethics Committee. Fucking asshole.

R(can you tell that I hate this motherfucker)T

That man almost makes Cheney look like an avuncular grandpa figure.

Any idea where the indictments in TX are going? ["a third component of Bell's complaint. It dealt with the fundraising group Texans for a Republican Majority Political Action Committee, or TRMPAC, to which DeLay is closely linked. A Texas grand jury last month indicted three of DeLay's political associates on charges of using TRMPAC to illegally collect corporate donations and funnel them to Texas legislative races." -- from article RT linked to]

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Okay. Explain Ashcroft.

He just doesn't like tits.