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Confused Cops Swarm Woman After Birth

Mar 31, 6:39 AM (ET)
KETTERING, Ohio (AP) - A woman rushing to a hospital to give birth hit a few stops along the way - first at a gas station where she delivered the baby herself, then when confused police ordered her out of the car at gunpoint.

Debbie Coleman, whose 3- and 4-year-old daughters were asleep in the back seat, pulled over at a gas station just after midnight Tuesday.

"I asked if she needed help, and she just leaned back in the seat, hollered a little, and I looked down and there was the baby's head," said station co-owner Lloyd Goff, who was alerted to the emergency at pump No. 7 by a customer.

Goff said Coleman "threw her leg over the steering wheel, groaned once, and the rest of the baby came out.

"She caught that baby, put it to her chest, gave me a look, like, 'I gotta go,' closed the door, put the van in gear and away she went."

A customer at the gas station in suburban Dayton tried to give police a heads-up about Coleman's situation, but a mix-up involving the license plate number had them thinking the van was stolen.

As officers went looking for her, Coleman headed for the hospital, naked below the waist and with the baby boy in her arm. His umbilical cord was still attached.

"I kept pulling over, making sure (the baby) was all right, breathing," she said.

Meanwhile, police had straightened out the license plate issue. But another caller mistakenly reported someone trying to throw a baby from a van.

Coleman said she noticed several cruisers following her before one cut her off. With guns drawn, officers ordered her out of the van with her hands up.

"I opened the door and said, 'I just had a baby' and just let them see everything," she said.

Officers sent Coleman on and let the hospital know she was coming.

Coleman was discharged Wednesday. Her 6-pound, 8-ounce son, Richard Lee Coleman Jr., remained in intensive care.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by TexLex
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050331/D895U2VO1.html

Confused Cops Swarm Woman After Birth

Mar 31, 6:39 AM (ET)
KETTERING, Ohio (AP) - A woman rushing to a hospital to give birth hit a few stops along the way - first at a gas station where she delivered the baby herself, then when confused police ordered her out of the car at gunpoint.

Debbie Coleman, whose 3- and 4-year-old daughters were asleep in the back seat, pulled over at a gas station just after midnight Tuesday.

"I asked if she needed help, and she just leaned back in the seat, hollered a little, and I looked down and there was the baby's head," said station co-owner Lloyd Goff, who was alerted to the emergency at pump No. 7 by a customer.

Goff said Coleman "threw her leg over the steering wheel, groaned once, and the rest of the baby came out.

"She caught that baby, put it to her chest, gave me a look, like, 'I gotta go,' closed the door, put the van in gear and away she went."

A customer at the gas station in suburban Dayton tried to give police a heads-up about Coleman's situation, but a mix-up involving the license plate number had them thinking the van was stolen.

As officers went looking for her, Coleman headed for the hospital, naked below the waist and with the baby boy in her arm. His umbilical cord was still attached.

"I kept pulling over, making sure (the baby) was all right, breathing," she said.

Meanwhile, police had straightened out the license plate issue. But another caller mistakenly reported someone trying to throw a baby from a van.

Coleman said she noticed several cruisers following her before one cut her off. With guns drawn, officers ordered her out of the van with her hands up.

"I opened the door and said, 'I just had a baby' and just let them see everything," she said.

Officers sent Coleman on and let the hospital know she was coming.

Coleman was discharged Wednesday. Her 6-pound, 8-ounce son, Richard Lee Coleman Jr., remained in intensive care.

Goddam crazy woman drivers.

[mommylawyer]

{okay clearly its been a while because iposted this as a new thread accidently}

Hi everyone, i am back after about a year long absence.... I see some familiar faces ...baltassoc - how are the twins? vietmom - your still here so i guess Vietbabe finally went to sleep!!! hmmm didn't realise i missed folks... lol

I left private practice and took an in-house kinda job and its kinda stinks but I get 28 days of personal time, work 7:30-4:30 and no nights and weekends...sounds like a dream right? Other than the days of this job is mind boggling boring, very little lawyering and I literally surf the net about 4 hours a day, and I still got an excellant review....

So i run into this well known attorney I've known since I was a law student (went to the same law school) and he asks me what I am doing etc... and at the end of our conversation, he asks me to interview for a part time position at his boutique litigation firm..... he has done this before but I decide, what the heck let's hear what he is offering...and cut to the chase I am extremely interested!!! Of course we still have to talk compensation etc....

My little people are 2 and 3 so the part time aspect is appealing and honestly - I miss really practicing .... and there is a new female partner who is a MOM and committed to being one ...

oh and there is a very big chance i may get laid off at the current gig anyway - not soon, but I am guessing within a year - corporate realignment doesn't seem to have my department on the chart in my area and I am not relocating for a job this tedius......

Is there a question counselor....? Being a very small firm there is not 'guideline' and i need to figure out what structure to propose - the only thing I am sure of is a 4 day week as opposed to 5 short days because i KNOW getting out can be difficult....help please - I have only done the big firm thing where they tell you what your getting and that's that.......

suggestions, ideas, questions are welcome....

[viet_mom]

Originally posted by mommylawyer
{okay clearly its been a while because iposted this as a new thread accidently}

Hi everyone, i am back after about a year long absence.... I see some familiar faces ...baltassoc - how are the twins? vietmom - your still here so i guess Vietbabe finally went to sleep!!! hmmm didn't realise i missed folks... lol

I left private practice and took an in-house kinda job and its kinda stinks but I get 28 days of personal time, work 7:30-4:30 and no nights and weekends...sounds like a dream right? Other than the days of this job is mind boggling boring, very little lawyering and I literally surf the net about 4 hours a day, and I still got an excellant review....

So i run into this well known attorney I've known since I was a law student (went to the same law school) and he asks me what I am doing etc... and at the end of our conversation, he asks me to interview for a part time position at his boutique litigation firm..... he has done this before but I decide, what the heck let's hear what he is offering...and cut to the chase I am extremely interested!!! Of course we still have to talk compensation etc....

My little people are 2 and 3 so the part time aspect is appealing and honestly - I miss really practicing .... and there is a new female partner who is a MOM and committed to being one ...

oh and there is a very big chance i may get laid off at the current gig anyway - not soon, but I am guessing within a year - corporate realignment doesn't seem to have my department on the chart in my area and I am not relocating for a job this tedius......

Is there a question counselor....? Being a very small firm there is not 'guideline' and i need to figure out what structure to propose - the only thing I am sure of is a 4 day week as opposed to 5 short days because i KNOW getting out can be difficult....help please - I have only done the big firm thing where they tell you what your getting and that's that.......

suggestions, ideas, questions are welcome....

Hi Mommylawyer. Welcome back. And thanks for asking -- Vietbabe is a very good sleeper; in fact I just put her to bed. And she no longer cries for no reason and is a happy kid. I can't answer the part time question for you, but I am part time and I could give you some things to think about with that.

Your current job -- if you are starting at 7:30 am you probably are just sending the kids off (or leaving yourself) in the a.m. without really seeing them so if being part time gives you more flexibility or morning time and you want that -- that would be a plus on the part time side. On the other hand, if you have set hours at your in house job and you aren't doing any work in the evening and weekend, there's something to be said for predictibility -- both for you and for your kids to have expectations about when you will or will not be with them. Because with part time, at least for me, I check work email until the second I go to bed and after Vietbabe goes to bed, always do some work related things (time sheets, reading emails, articles on topics in my area of law, and also "real work"). It really never ends and you are always "on." On the other hand, if you need to make a doctor's appointment in the middle of the day, you can go ahead and do so and you can usually swing some hours during the week to do things you need to do or spend time with the kids. Unless you can really say the new law firm job you are considering is something you can pick up and put down fairly easily, then you should think of the part time job as really being a "flex job". I really think if it is important that you have your evenings free after the kids are asleep, you need to consider that you will probably be preparing for one thing or another (or playing catch-up) in the evening. If you are up until midnite, you may become annoyed that you took a salary cut and now you are working into the wee hours or fielding calls all the time. I still prefer the flexibility even if I'm always "on" as a part-timer and even if I do work at night/check email.

Just some things to consider.

[viet_mom]

Originally posted by TexLex
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050331/D895U2VO1.html

Confused Cops Swarm Woman After Birth

Mar 31, 6:39 AM (ET)
KETTERING, Ohio (AP) - A woman rushing to a hospital to give birth hit a few stops along the way - first at a gas station where she delivered the baby herself, then when confused police ordered her out of the car at gunpoint....

I'm sorry but I have found cops to be complete creeps. I got a parking ticket that had a court return date of 9/11/2001 (yep) and paid it before then but apparently some computer screw up happened in the system that spits out warrants for arrests for no-shows (the courts were closed the rest of the day). Or some kind of mess up, I forgot. I got it straightened out and rode around forever with the "evidence" of the warrant error but guess I threw it out a few years later (I hadn't been pulled over since getting the parking ticket).

Fast forward to this past October (mischief night - night before Halloween of all nights) and I'm driving home from my sister's with Vietbabe asleep in the back at 9 pm. My parents and g-parents are riding in their car ahead of me. Cop in quiet town pulls me over because he says the light on my license plate seemed too dim. He does his thing on his walkie talkie thing and then tells me he has to bring me into the station because there is a warrant out for my arrest in another town (that 9/11 ticket thing).

Luckily I had called my parents on my car phone and kept it on the whole time and Dad (also a lawyer) could hear what was happening. He told the officer very nicely, "I'm her Dad and there is a 2 year old sleeping in the car seat in the back" (Cop cuts in, "Yeah, sir, I saw that and I don't care - there's a warrant) and Dad says please just wait for him to turn around and meet us so he can take the baby. The Cop tells Dad no! He will not wait for Dad to get to us (like 2 minutes away).

So Dad tells me "Don't you dare get out of the car or go to the station until I get there". Cop tells Dad, "Sir...if she doesn't get out of the car right now I'm going to cuff her and read her her rights." I didn't know who to listen to. Luckily Dad showed up and a crazy attempt to transfer the car seat to the car with my parents and g-parents ensued. All so I could go to the station and for everyone to find out it was all a mistake (I posted "bail" and then got the bail refunded b/c there was never an effective warrant). At the station, the cop tried to tell my Dad he couldn't go into the station with me (even when he said he'd be my attorney). He went in anyway.

I can't believe how nice my Dad was throughout and how mean the Cop was even though Dad and me were polite throughout. The only other person at the station that night was another cop. He had liquor on his breath (I can tell because I don't drink). Oh what a night to remember.

Um...what was the question? Long enough so I'll leave out the part where I got home, and then took the cat to the all night vet to have him put down because he had destroyed the last piece of furniture in the house with his pee problem despite being on expensive anti-depressent meds.

Whew.

[Flinty_McFlint]

Originally posted by viet_mom
Um...what was the question? Long enough so I'll leave out the part where I got home, and then took the cat to the all night vet to have him put down because he had destroyed the last piece of furniture in the house with his pee problem despite being on expensive anti-depressent meds.

Whew.

Remind me to use the restroom before I visit you.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
Remind me to use the restroom before I visit you.

I thought you smelly creatures ate eachother's pee.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Have you discovered the kids books auctions? There are regular listings where you can get like 100 books and they often go at $20 or so bucks. We weed through them to get the 50 books our kids will enjoy and give the other 50 to a charity. We've bought thousands.

Wait a minute- so you give charities the books that a kid would hate? Do you declare them as deductions? WTF? Wouldn't it be better to actually give a few of the 50 "good" books to the charity? Or is it just as well because "those kids" will probably not be able to read anyway?

Most liberals have the blackest hearts. This kind of smugness just gives me the creeps.

Originally posted by mommylawyer
So i run into this well known attorney I've known since I was a law student (went to the same law school) and he asks me what I am doing etc... and at the end of our conversation, he asks me to interview for a part time position at his boutique litigation firm.....

Being a very small firm there is not 'guideline' and i need to figure out what structure to propose - the only thing I am sure of is a 4 day week as opposed to 5 short days because i KNOW getting out can be difficult....help please - I have only done the big firm thing where they tell you what your getting and that's that.......

It depends both on how high-end this boutique is and on what your role is going to be. If it is truly high-end and you expect a relationship something like a part-time partner-track associate in a big firm, that may be a reasonable place to start in terms of salary. If the work they are doing is less high-end, or if you would view your relationship as more along the lines of "work hard for 8 hours and then get out of there," you ought to shoot a bit lower.

In either case, you might want to substitute revenue-sharing for some portion of the base (e.g., you get 25% of all the time you bill over, say, 1,200 hours). In order to work out those numbers, you'd need to ask what rate they anticipate billing your time out at and how much billable work they think you'll have to do -- they should be paying a premium over what they would otherwise pay in exchange for you assuming some of the risk. If they do considerable work on contingent fee the calculus will be different, but you might consider taking on some of that risk as well (e.g., I get $x for every hour over 1,200, plus 10% of the premium, if any, generated on my time).

Good luck!

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by mommylawyer
{okay clearly its been a while because iposted this as a new thread accidently}

Hi everyone, i am back after about a year long absence.... I see some familiar faces ...baltassoc - how are the twins? vietmom - your still here so i guess Vietbabe finally went to sleep!!! hmmm didn't realise i missed folks... lol

I left private practice and took an in-house kinda job and its kinda stinks but I get 28 days of personal time, work 7:30-4:30 and no nights and weekends...sounds like a dream right? Other than the days of this job is mind boggling boring, very little lawyering and I literally surf the net about 4 hours a day, and I still got an excellant review....

So i run into this well known attorney I've known since I was a law student (went to the same law school) and he asks me what I am doing etc... and at the end of our conversation, he asks me to interview for a part time position at his boutique litigation firm..... he has done this before but I decide, what the heck let's hear what he is offering...and cut to the chase I am extremely interested!!! Of course we still have to talk compensation etc....

My little people are 2 and 3 so the part time aspect is appealing and honestly - I miss really practicing .... and there is a new female partner who is a MOM and committed to being one ...

oh and there is a very big chance i may get laid off at the current gig anyway - not soon, but I am guessing within a year - corporate realignment doesn't seem to have my department on the chart in my area and I am not relocating for a job this tedius......

Is there a question counselor....? Being a very small firm there is not 'guideline' and i need to figure out what structure to propose - the only thing I am sure of is a 4 day week as opposed to 5 short days because i KNOW getting out can be difficult....help please - I have only done the big firm thing where they tell you what your getting and that's that.......

suggestions, ideas, questions are welcome....

Also keep in mind that your benefits may be affected. In-house benefits, unless you are at a startup, are generally better than law firm non-partner lawyer benefits. You may be able to, or be already, using the family coverage your husband/partner has, but then again, maybe not.

Good luck!

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Wait a minute- so you give charities the books that a kid would hate? Do you declare them as deductions? WTF? Wouldn't it be better to actually give a few of the 50 "good" books to the charity? Or is it just as well because "those kids" will probably not be able to read anyway?

Most liberals have the blackest hearts. This kind of smugness just gives me the creeps.

Lots of assumptions here from you. No deductions, but they're books we don't have a use for. Many are duplicates of books we already have, others are one's our kids don't get excited about but others may (for example, hard core "boy books" just don't interest our 12 year old girl, so those are given away; horse books and fantasy stay with us, detective books are given away). But, yes, some are those junky "Golden Books" that I cannot understand anyone having much use for, but apparently some do and they're welcome to them.

I guess I don't find it surprising that a conservative would lack understanding of the diversity out there in the world, and would find an urge to label everything he doesn't want "bad."

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Wait a minute- so you give charities the books that a kid would hate? Do you declare them as deductions? WTF? Wouldn't it be better to actually give a few of the 50 "good" books to the charity? Or is it just as well because "those kids" will probably not be able to read anyway?

Most liberals have the blackest hearts. This kind of smugness just gives me the creeps.

Surely you can't be serious, Shirley. Would you prefer he add them to a landfill? Although maybe that's good for your hometown business.

Originally posted by viet_mom
I'm sorry but I have found cops to be complete creeps.

I was pulled over in law school with then-BF-now-hubby in the car. Obviously pissed to be pulling people over in the rain without a car (yes, he pulled me over by hand, I shoulda kept going), the cop actually asked "isn't it embarrassing to be pulled over with your dad in the car?"* How do you answer this tactfully to an already pissed cop who has gotten mad at each of your previous responses, including "Good afternoon, Officer." Is being a jerk part of the job description?

-TL

* Yes I was a baby in LS, but he was still under 30 at the time, WTF? Do I really look like I'm 12?

[pony_trekker]

Originally posted by mommylawyer
So i run into this well known attorney I've known since I was a law student (went to the same law school) and he asks me what I am doing etc... and at the end of our conversation, he asks me to interview for a part time position at his boutique litigation firm..... he has done this before but I decide, what the heck let's hear what he is offering...and cut to the chase I am extremely interested!!! Of course we still have to talk compensation etc....

Make sure this isn't bullshit. If he says A but you get there and B is the actuality, then what recourse do you have?

My little people are 2 and 3 so the part time aspect is appealing and honestly - I miss really practicing .... and there is a new female partner who is a MOM and committed to being one ...

Enjoy it now. Before you know it they'll be grabbing your credit card and buying shit on the internet.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Surely you can't be serious, Shirley. Would you prefer he add them to a landfill? Although maybe that's good for your hometown business.

He takes (probably through an agent- i don't think he actually drives them) books no one wants to some charity. one of two things happen:

Poor kids read bad books and decide they don't like to read, or the charity pays to have them thrown away.
Thanks GGG!