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Fugee · 10-15-2003, 02:21 AM

Atticus, you know a lot about a bunch of things but I don't think you've got it right on the early church.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
The essential validity of that point is drowned in the hyperbole in which it is stated. There was no seperate thing called "Christianity" for probably 150 years or so after the death (or not-death, natch) of the man who came to be called Jesus. /QUOTE]
Don't know whether the faith was called Christianity, but the followers of Jesus were called Christians much earlier. Flavius Josephus (~37 A.D. to 100 A.D.) was a Jewish historian. His description of Jesus noted that his followers were called Christians. Tactitus and Suetonius, early 2nd Century A.D. historians also refer to them as being called Christians. And Pliny the Younger (62?-c.113 AD) wrote a letter to the emperor discussing his treatment of "Christians."**

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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch However, the Jesus-cult was probably coequal with the other Jewish political parties of first century Judea by about 135 C.E. --- so you would talk about the Essenes, the Sadducees, the Pharisees, and the Jesus Party (using whatever term was then used) as being movements within Judaism. The destruction of the temple in 70 C.E. pretty much ended the Sadducees, who had been dominant to that point, and the defeat of the Bar-Kokhba Revolt in 135 probably catapulted the Jesus Party to a position of equality in the now-underground Jewish religion.

The fact that the Council of Jerusalem allowed the Jesus Party to recruit members without requiring adherence to dietary laws or circumcision (which was a taboo form of human mutilation among the Hellenistic residents of the Mediterranean region) gave the Jesus Movement a recruiting edge over other sects within Judaism. The foremost surviving competitor, Pharisaic/Rabbinic Judaism, was thus the target of the Jesus Movement's ire, and explains the latent or patent anti-Semitism of the early Christian church, where "Pharisee" is a synonym for "any non-Christian Jew."

There was a thing called Christianity then, but it looked too much like any other form of then-existing Judaism to consider it a Church.

What are you smoking? Co-equal with other Jewish political parties? You want to talk about being the target of ire: Before the Romans got into the game, the Jewish religious leaders were working hard to stamp out what they viewed as heresy by executing Christians. And that's not just from the New Testament. Josephus chronicles at least one instance of this.

The very early church wasn't about political parties. It was all about the message of salvation. I don't think it got political until the church was much more established as Christianity.

**N.B. if you thought the New Testament was the only historical evidence for the existence of Jesus as a historical person.

Fu(Christianity Timmy)gee

Edited to note that I have never heard anyone call someone a Jewess, much less a Jewess girl.

pony_trekker · 10-15-2003, 03:46 AM

CUBS FAN COSTS CUBS WORLD SERIES!!!

WRITE IT IN FOLKS. YOU DON'T RECOVER FROM THIS.

pretermitted_child · 10-15-2003, 04:12 AM

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Originally posted by The Daintiest Petunia
O.K., I'm not really as mad as I seem!

Not mad. Crazy.*

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After that baseball thread today ... hoooo boy! I figured I need some practice before I start playing with the heavy hitters (no pun intended - maybe!!!).

Just don't wander into the wrong bullpen, mmmmm 'kay?

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Paging patentparanyc!!! Paging patentparanyc!!! Come in patentparanyc!!!

Actually, it goes something like this: Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice!

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I told my friend at work that I finally jumped into the fray. He thinks I'm nuts. (emphasis added)

See supra.

* And I mean that in the nicest way.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 10-15-2003, 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by leagleaze
I'd like to Congratulate the winner Atticus and the runner up TM.

Please contact me via PM or IM to discuss how you want your prize. Atticus wins $50 towards his choice of amazon.com, a sex toy shop gift certificate or lawcrossing. TM wins $25 towards his choice of the same items.

L

Shouldn't we get to vote on which sex toy they get?

Shape Shifter · 10-15-2003, 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by pony_trekker

CUBS FAN COSTS CUBS WORLD SERIES!!!

WRITE IT IN FOLKS. YOU DON'T RECOVER FROM THIS.

I bet the guy is (or used to be) a lawyer.

Dualit · 10-15-2003, 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by leagleaze
Atticus wins $50 towards his choice of amazon.com, a sex toy shop gift certificate or lawcrossing. TM wins $25 towards his choice of the same items.

You simply *must* disclose their respective choices.

Dua(Enquiring minds want to know!)lit

10-15-2003, 10:30 AM

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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Speaking of which, Season 2, Episode 1 of "The Office" was somehow even more painful than anything in Season 1. The introduction of characters who don't silently put up with David's shit creates agonizing conflicts so that every moment is like the times when Jennifer called David on the carpet in Season 1. I wanted to melt into the carpet when David was doing his standup routine for the Swindon crew. I had to pause it and come back to it later b/c I can only take so much human degradation at a time.

There is no fucking way they can remake this in the U.S. How the hell do you rewrite a running gag about telling a racist joke involving the queen of England playing 20 Questions about a black man's cock? How can you translate the little jerk-off movement when David denies ever "coming over a little queer"? It just can't be done. I implore you, NBC --- it shouldn't be done. Maybe they'll give up on this ill-starred enterprise when Coupling USA tanks.

First. SPoiler space please.

Second, I had that feeling I had watching MIkey call the answring machine on swingers.

third, I was watching my office dvd last night after that boring yankees game. Is it my disc or is it impossible to tell which setting is highlighted (ie "watch episodes in order" "choose an episode" "select a scene")? And the first track on episode four, where Dawn has a meltdown and Tim offers to marry her snot, skips. I am so bummed. I lost my receipt too.

fourth- is NBC actually in the process of bringing this show to the US? I think they could do it if they changed it drastically and didnt try to just carbon copy the characters and the script. maybe. though I dont know if they could find anyone as ugly as Gareth over here. Is Less available? There is some resemblance.

fifth. I had a weird deja rerun. I have seen about five minutes of US Coupling and five minutes of Brit coupling, and the were the same five minutes about the interview and the vulva. that was fucking weird. both were totally unfunny. but if good morning miami can still be onthe air, i dont see couupling getting cancelled bc it couldnt be worse than that show.

10-15-2003, 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by Theres and Thats
Look woman, I'm on your IGNORE LIST. IGNORE ME ALREADY!

I am here for these other people.

But, in your behalf, your Highless, BZZZZT, THANKS FOR LAYING!

I never got around to it actually. Plus, I am the lame sock police. How many 2s will it take for you to get the message?

Theres and Thats · 10-15-2003, 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by paigowprincess
I never got around to it actually. Plus, I am the lame sock police. How many 2s will it take for you to get the message?

Oh, G, I didn't realize.

Now I see what they say about U, 2, and yet you droooooooone on little Queen P. So what was that MESSAGE again?

But thanks for saying.

ThurgreedMarshall · 10-15-2003, 10:57 AM

If there is anyone in the world I wouldn't want to be today (or especially tomorrow if the Cubs lose tonight), it's this guy:

Clearly he's a Cubs fan. Obviously he did something stupid. But damn, they didn't have to throw beer all over him repeatedly after he fucked the game up for the Cubs. I'm sure he feels bad enough as it is.

And the Cubs fucked the game up on their own after that. They were still in a position to win. I really hope they win tonight, because he's going to go down as a bigger goat than Bill Buckner if they don't, no matter how many errors the Cubs commit.

TM

Theres and Thats · 10-15-2003, 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by pretermitted_child
Not mad. Crazy.*

Just don't wander into the wrong bullpen, mmmmm 'kay?

Actually, it goes something like this: Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice!

See supra.

* And I mean that in the nicest way.

Do Me! Do ME!

Did you just call me Coltrane? · 10-15-2003, 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Clearly he's a Cubs fan. Obviously he did something stupid. But damn, they didn't have to throw beer all over him repeatedly after he fucked the game up for the Cubs. I'm sure he feels bad enough as it is.

And the Cubs fucked the game up on their own after that. They were still in a position to win. I really hope they win tonight, because he's going to go down as a bigger goat than Bill Buckner if they don't, no matter how many errors the Cubs commit.

TM

Yes, clearly he is a Cubs fan, b/c most other teams' fans would know better. This is why when you were at Wrigley the past two years you were never surprised to hear "why isn't Mark Grace playing today?". Don't get me wrong, Wrigley is a great place to get drunk and it's like a singles bar in the bleachers, but it seems that a lot of fans lack proper knowledge of the game.

Not being a Cubs fan, that game still left me with a really bad taste in my mouth. I think subconciously I'm rooting for them, but I won't say it IRL. What an awful way to lose. Alex Gonzalez is the true culprit, and Prior made some bad pitches, but that fan will be the scapegoat.

Luckily for him, he wasn't at a White Sox game, where he would have been murdered on the spot, unless they wanted to torture him first.

rufus leeking · 10-15-2003, 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
If there is anyone in the world I wouldn't want to be today (or especially tomorrow if the Cubs lose tonight), it's this guy:

TM

even before the screw up- you have first row seats in Wrigley's outfield and you wear headphones to hear the game on the Radio? you're missing a big part of the experience, the crack of the bat, etc. He was probably close enough to hear the outfielders talking. plus in Wrigley, at least in the bleachers, you do need to hear what may be coming at you from behind.

ThurgreedMarshall · 10-15-2003, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by Dualit
You simply *must* disclose their respective choices.

Dua(Enquiring minds want to know!)lit

I'll be taking the Amazon gift certificate so I can purchase roughly 1 1/2 Dr. Seuss books for my daughter. I have enough sex toys, thank you very much.

Congratulations, Atticus.

TM

leagleaze · 10-15-2003, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I'll be taking the Amazon gift certificate so I can purchase roughly 1 1/2 Dr. Seuss books for my daughter. I have enough sex toys, thank you very much.

Congratulations, Atticus.

TM

Good deal. Email or PM me and let me know to what address you want it sent.