Nutjobs Ranting About Politics. - Page 123

Tyrone Slothrop · 08-13-2004, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Then you're not nearly as far-right as they get, even in NYC.

It's not a question that necessarily turns on whether you're "right" or "left." Libertarians may support gay marriage; religious lefties may not. But the GOP's use of the issue certainly shows how libertarians have hitched their wagon to a train driven by big-state, religious conservatives.

SlaveNoMore · 08-13-2004, 02:08 AM

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Tyrone Slothrop
It's not a question that necessarily turns on whether you're "right" or "left." Libertarians may support gay marriage; religious lefties may not. But the GOP's use of the issue certainly shows how libertarians have hitched their wagon to a train driven by big-state, religious conservatives.

The Federalist in me says the State should do as it pleases in this sphere.

The Libertarian in me says the State shouldn't be in the "Marry'n Biz" at all - gay or straight.

The Humanist in me says that people should be able to contractually do what they will with their possessions.

In other words, neither party does it for me on this one, so I demur.

Hank Chinaski · 08-13-2004, 09:16 AM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Apparently, the UN knew about the Oil for Food farce all along, yet didn't do a damn thing to prevent it

Link - and it gets even better, it's from the NYT

So I guess Chalabi didn't make it all up, after all.

Hey, UN guys! Does this apply to any other issues that were under the UN's scrutiny?

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"Everybody said it was a terrible shame and against international law, but there was really no enthusiasm to tackle it," said Peter van Walsum, a Dutch diplomat who headed the Iraq sanctions committee in 1999 and 2000, recalling the discussions of illegal oil surcharges. "We never had clear decisions on anything. So we just in effect condoned things."

Hank Chinaski · 08-13-2004, 10:01 AM

from lgf

Not only was Kerry never in Cambodia, he's not mentioned in any NYT or W. Post stories about Cambodia!

http://query.nytimes.com/search/quer...x=9&submit.y=9

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...words=cambodia

Slave. Would you please contact the rich white guys who control these papers and tell them to order the Editors to write a story on this?

Say_hello_for_me · 08-13-2004, 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
I don't personally know one rightie who is against gay marriage. I don't think they should sell out.

I'm with Atticus's analysis of the nation's thoughts on this issue, though my personal beliefs may fall somewhere differently than his. I'm against calling it marriage, nothing more nothing less. I'm for the same rights and obligations but calling it civil union or, really, anything other than marriage.

Its sort of like this: people have relied on the idea of marriage being defined only between men and women for a long time. Why harm them or make them change their understanding of the definition? Why let others change it?

If others want to change the commonly-accepted meaning, let them find a new word to describe it.

He(preserving the English language as we know it)llo

Gattigap · 08-13-2004, 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by Not Me
What a fucking asshole this man is. To trick a woman into marriage when he knew god damn well he was gay. I feel so bad for her.

Did the coverage say that?

Not Me · 08-13-2004, 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Did the coverage say that?

He said that in his speech. He talked about how he always had had these feelings but struggled with them.

If you know something like that you should not involve some poor unsuspecting woman in your own personal struggles with your sexual orientation.

He did this to two women. His current wife is his second wife.

Anyone else following this story? He was screwing a guy he met in Israel who he brought over here to work for him. The guy he was fucking was totally unqualified for the job. This was a government job at a salary of $110k a year. This is one hell of a scandel and it has nothing to do with him being gay. A governor should not bet getting his lover high paying government jobs for which his lover isn't qualified to do.

The guy is a total creep and I hope he goes to jail.

Tyrone Slothrop · 08-13-2004, 02:10 PM

According to the latest polling in each state:

Kerry 327
Bush 211

Click on the map to see more (e.g., state-by-state data).

SlaveNoMore · 08-13-2004, 02:28 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
According to the latest polling in each state:

Kerry 327
Bush 211

Click on the map to see more (e.g., state-by-state data).

Yet the latest Gallup has Bush up 50-47.

Begging the question, if Bush actually wins the popular vote but the loses the electoral college, do the GOPers then have carte blanche to whine incessantly about "stolen elections" and "disenfranchise" for 4 years?

Replaced_Texan · 08-13-2004, 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
According to the latest polling in each state:

Kerry 327
Bush 211

Click on the map to see more (e.g., state-by-state data).

Ohio is way too close to assign one way or the other:

American Research Group. 8/9-11. MoE 4%. (7/22 results)
Kerry 48 (47)
Bush 45 (45)

Strategic Vision (R). 7/31- 8/3. MoE 3%

Bush 49
Kerry 45

Columbus Dispatch. 7/14-23. MoE 2%
Bush 47
Kerry 44

CNN/USA Today/Gallup. 7/19-22. MoE 4%
Kerry 51
Bush 45

Salon had a good article the other day assessing all the polls that are out there: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...lls/index.html

Tyrone Slothrop · 08-13-2004, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Begging the question, if Bush actually wins the popular vote but the loses the electoral college, do the GOPers then have carte blanche to whine incessantly about "stolen elections" and "disenfranchise" for 4 years?

Good of you to start laying the groundwork for that sort of whining now.

Tyrone Slothrop · 08-13-2004, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Ohio is way too close to assign one way or the other:

American Research Group. 8/9-11. MoE 4%. (7/22 results)
Kerry 48 (47)
Bush 45 (45)

Strategic Vision (R). 7/31- 8/3. MoE 3%

Bush 49
Kerry 45

Columbus Dispatch. 7/14-23. MoE 2%
Bush 47
Kerry 44

CNN/USA Today/Gallup. 7/19-22. MoE 4%
Kerry 51
Bush 45

Salon had a good article the other day assessing all the polls that are out there: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...lls/index.html

The site whose map I posted and which I linked to bases the map on the most recent poll in every state. They update it daily, and tell you which states reflect new information. So in the case of Ohio, it's using the first poll you listed. Ohio has been red recently, but just flipped. Lord knows it may flip several more times again.

SlaveNoMore · 08-13-2004, 02:40 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
Good of you to start laying the groundwork for that sort of whining now.

Call me Lanny Davis.

SlaveNoMore · 08-13-2004, 02:43 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
The site whose map I posted...They update it daily... Lord knows it may flip several more times again.

If I didn't know better, I'd assume this post was about Cambodia.

Tyrone Slothrop · 08-13-2004, 02:59 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
If I didn't know better, I'd assume this post was about Cambodia.

Or about President Bush and the sales tax:

President Bush on Tuesday:

"It's an interesting idea. You know, I'm not exactly sure how big the national sales tax is going to have to be, but it's the kind of interesting idea that we ought to explore seriously."

Wednesday:

"Two administration officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Bush was not considering a national sales tax."

links

A one-day flip-flop! (Or maybe he wasn't telling the truth on Tuesday.)

But since you mentioned Cambodia, and previously seemed to care what Douglas Brinkley had to say:

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KERRY IN CAMBODIA....Instapundit links today to a piece in the Telegraph that quotes John Kerry biographer Douglas Brinkley about the "Christmas in Cambodia" kerfuffle:

"On Christmas Eve he was near Cambodia; he was around 50 miles from the Cambodian border. There's no indictment of Kerry to be made, but he was mistaken about Christmas in Cambodia," said Douglas Brinkley, who has unique access to the candidate's wartime journals.

....He said: "Kerry went into Cambodian waters three or four times in January and February 1969 on clandestine missions. He had a run dropping off US Navy Seals, Green Berets and CIA guys." The missions were not armed attacks on Cambodia, said Mr Brinkley, who did not include the clandestine missions in his wartime biography of Mr Kerry, Tour of Duty.

"He was a ferry master, a drop-off guy, but it was dangerous as hell. Kerry carries a hat he was given by one CIA operative. In a part of his journals which I didn't use he writes about discussions with CIA guys he was dropping off."

So let me get this straight. Kerry did go to Cambodia — even though that was supposedly impossible, he did take CIA guys in — even though that was supposedly absurd, and he did get a hat from one of them — even though that was supposedly a sign of mental instability. The extent of Kerry's malfeasance is that instead of doing it in December, he actually did it in January and February.

Considering that he's mentioned this story only twice, most recently 18 years ago, and it turns out that his only crime is to have tarted it up with a bit of holiday pathos, I think I'll pass on following it any further down the Swift Vets rabbit hole. But thanks to everyone who displayed their deep unseriousness about this election by participating in this smear. It will be remembered.

Drum