Politics: A new beginning

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
This has got to be the stupidest thing you've ever posted.

On the same theory that says that you should strive to learn one new word every day, I like to have and meet daily personal goals. So, this is doubly gratifying.

(I will add, as an edit, that you characterize this all as business as usual, but even the lefty pundits are writing semi-wondering essays on the new phenomena of sheer Bush-hate.)

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch

This has got to be the stupidest thing you've ever posted. Of course the loyal opposition despises GWB; he's never offered them an olive branch after 2000. He interpreted an electoral college victory as a mandate for sweeping policy changes across the board. He appointed Ashcroft as AG.

And this may be the stupidest thing you have. Since when do you need to have a wide margin of victory in order to govern as you see fit? I don't remember Kennedy saying, well I'd like to invade Cuba, but I was only elected by X votes, so maybe it's not ok. And wasn't Ashcroft approved by Congress? Don't recall this was strictly down party lines. Oh wait, it doesn't matter how you voted, only what you were thinking or feeling at the time.

[sgtclub]

Whether on the left or right, we all have a lot for which to be thankful. So I wish you all a happy Thankgiving. Now get back petty bickering!

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sgtclub

And this may be the stupidest thing you have. Since when do you need to have a wide margin of victory in order to govern as you see fit? I don't remember Kennedy saying, well I'd like to invade Cuba, but I was only elected by X votes, so maybe it's not ok. And wasn't Ashcroft approved by Congress? Don't recall this was strictly down party lines. Oh wait, it doesn't matter how you voted, only what you were thinking or feeling at the time.

Come now, this post is far less stupid than bilmore's. Oh wait, you said stupidest thing Atticus has ever posted. Actually, I think the thing about the immigrants and employers' insurance blah blah was stupider, but still not as stupid as pretty much this entire discussion has become because now it's just people digging their heels in deeper and deeper.

Atticus, on the bright side, interpreting (what can at best be described as) a narrow victory as a mandate for sweeping change will only screw him in the long run. Our children (well, your children, I don't have any) will learn in high school about how current fiscal policies totally fucked the country.

I realize this is small comfort since the country is ending up fucked, but it's a moral victory.

I may find this more comforting because I don't have to see my poor innocent optimistic children growing up, knowing all the while that their adult lives will be lived in fiscal hell.



Some hyperbole for Thanksgiving. Where the FUCK is the GODDAMN UPS guy?

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Actually, I think the thing about the immigrants and employers' insurance blah blah was stupider

Concur.

I may find this more comforting because I don't have to see my poor innocent optimistic children growing up, knowing all the while that their adult lives will be lived in fiscal hell.

I think Pony Trekker's got it right on that score. {Spree: Link to Fascist Board.}

[The Larry Davis Experience]

Originally posted by sgtclub
And wasn't Ashcroft approved by Congress? Don't recall this was strictly down party lines. Oh wait, it doesn't matter how you voted, only what you were thinking or feeling at the time.

Senate Dems voted 42-8 against Ashcroft's confirmation (vote was 58-42 overall). Is that a sufficient indicator of how "we" were thinking or feeling at the time, or do we need 50 out of 50?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Concur.



I think Pony Trekker's got it right on that score. {Spree: Link to Fascist Board.}

I've been informed that ERISA and US tax code expertise is not needed in Switzerland. (Seriously, I asked a partner about this -- kinda jokingly -- on Monday.) I might have said Sweden, but I meant Switzerland. Anyway, not needed anywhere other than here. Dammit.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
And this may be the stupidest thing you have. Since when do you need to have a wide margin of victory in order to govern as you see fit?

I don't think Atticus said what you seem to think he said. I think he was just explaining the vitriol many Dems feel towards Bush, not suggesting that Bush was obliged to do otherwise.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
He interpreted an electoral college victory as a mandate for sweeping policy changes across the board.

What other kind of presidential victory is there? Did you wife get pregnant from vaginal sex?

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
What other kind of presidential victory is there?

My point was that the Administration has acted with neither humility nor conciliation toward any opposition. "I call for healing from the division and divisiveness that recently divided our great nation. Let me start the healing by appointing a widely distrusted religious extremist who just lost a Patch Senate election to a dead man, because he has a good heart."

This is probly a side effect not of Election 2000, but the fact that Bush did no time on the Hill and brought back people from the 1988 Bush administration who had let their cross-aisle friendships lapse. When you go from, say, the Senate to the White House, you can pick up the phone and call your evil counterpart and laugh about hookers and beer.

Now, every Hill vote devolves into: "Do we have the votes? Yes? Then fuck 'em." That, and that only, was not always so, because even when you win, you have to live to fight another day.

Did you wife get pregnant from vaginal sex?

None of your fucking business, bucko.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
My point was that the Administration has acted with neither humility nor conciliation toward any opposition. "I call for healing from the division and divisiveness that recently divided our great nation. Let me start the healing by appointing a widely distrusted religious extremist who just lost a Patch Senate election to a dead man, because he has a good heart."

This is probly a side effect not of Election 2000, but the fact that Bush did no time on the Hill and brought back people from the 1988 Bush administration who had let their cross-aisle friendships lapse. When you go from, say, the Senate to the White House, you can pick up the phone and call your evil counterpart and laugh about hookers and beer.

Now, every Hill vote devolves into: "Do we have the votes? Yes? Then fuck 'em." That, and that only, was not always so, because even when you win, you have to live to fight another day.

agreed. and frankly, i feel much of the blame for the hate goes back to how Clinton was treated by the Republicans. It is a bit much for a Republican today to complain that unbridled hatred towards a President is somehow unique.


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None of your fucking business, bucko.

Trust me, she did. AG is just taking on an affectation for the SF turkey baster crowd.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Now, every Hill vote devolves into: "Do we have the votes? Yes? Then fuck 'em."

Yes. Quite the switch from the days of yore, huh?

("Yore" was the period prior to Bush, in which every liberal conceptualized stray nightmare became a national must-have sort of wish list, on MY fucking dime, extending into litmus tests for people who couldn't find some constitutional right to suck off Stalin for a good cause. It was during the Yorish era (post-Pre-Cambrian, obviously) that we learned that college campuses must contain 32.7% blacks and asians were to be excluded, criminals should recieve Social Security because of their crippling assholity (an obvious disability), and teeny-screwing seventy-year-old Senators were due extra respect because of their votes on abortion. Yeah, you bought lots of respect upon yourself during THAT period.)

((Ty, in case you need to ask, THIS is hyperbole. Fun hyperbole, too.)

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski and frankly, i feel much of the blame for the hate goes back to how Clinton was treated by the Republicans.

4% of Repubs really disliked (hated?) Clinton. The rest were simply appalled that this asshole would fuck some little intern kiddiegirl right there in the damn White House while controlling the entire NOW endorsement.

There was this disonance, ya' know?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by bilmore
4% of Repubs really disliked (hated?) Clinton.

Well actually that poll later came under question ala the 100% Saddam vote. It turned out that 73.2% of republicans believed that Hillary had 26 people killed to protect bill's postion, and so they were afraid to admit they hated Clinton back then. Now that he is out of power, and hiding somewhere in NY, the actual hatred % is coming out of the closet.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bilmore
((Ty, in case you need to ask, THIS is hyperbole. Fun hyperbole, too.)

I thought you were just warming up, and then you ended the post.