Politics: A new beginning

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Now that he is out of power, and hiding somewhere in NY, the actual hatred % is coming out of the closet.

Not while Hilary is still around, Bucko.

(Scary beyotch, that. She SAID she wanted to transform health care - she really just wanted control of the Health Care POA's. In the land of the Lotts, that's a heck of a risk.)

[Say_hello_for_me]

More on other stuff, including past topics.

The Chicago Tribune ran an article on November 26, 2003 that Jesse Jackson Sr. was heckled at an outdoor speaking appearance. By numerous young African American males. Who complained essentially that he had hijacked leadership and only benefitted himself and his family. One alluded to the Budweiser distributorship deal for Jackson's sons. Of course, WE all know he's a has-been, but this is just one more indication of the openings that are available for both parties to establish communications with actual disaffected minority youths who seek opportunity. Not saying these guys are legit (I really have no idea), but I'd like to think that someone will sit down with any minority group that protests Jackson's leadership.

In other news, Boston is looking at ending desegration bussing. Baltimore's school system layed off 700+ workers. The schools are basically broke. Did that bussing thing work anywhere? Seriously, I cannot recall ever having heard of anyplace that it worked.

Did someone say civility? We seriously need a national dialogue on domestic matters. Anyone got a better idea for desegregation than, e.g., vouchers (with a ban on discrimination)?

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[Not Me]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Jesse Jackson Sr. was heckled at an outdoor speaking appearance. By numerous young African American males. Who complained essentially that he had hijacked leadership and only benefitted himself and his family. One alluded to the Budweiser distributorship deal for Jackson's sons.

Perhaps Black America is finally ready to make an exodus from the Democratic Plantation.

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Did that bussing thing work anywhere?

The southeastern portion of the US.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by The Larry Davis Experience

rather than a disgruntled drone typing his shrill opinions at faceless internet personas

Hello, Pot? Hi, this is the kettle. You're black!

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Not Me
The southeastern portion of the US.

Any particular cities come to mind? I'm willing to google for this.

With respect to the "Democratic Plantation" thing, my preference for the Republican party barely holds in this regard. I pray that they find selfless leadership who never recommends holding a hand out except to receive a handshake or embrace. I will gladly embrace any of those who suffer and I know their overall community does disproportionately. If Dean or one of the other realistic candidates (Clark?) would reach out to true inner city leaders who won't make me cringe, I promise to consider voting for them.

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[Not Me]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I believe almost everyone on the Board agrees with me about the others.

That's a winner of an argument if I ever heard one.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Note to Dems. If the message is "don't use force unless you have a plan that will work and that you can explain", then say it more clearly. As an electoral ploy, I think it will resonate with many (see earlier National Guard/Reserve posts).

In fact, as talking points, I think you would resonate well by focusing on:
1.) Don't use force unless its against a dangerous enemy who threatens our peace; and
2.) Don't use force unless you have the plan that will work and that you can explain.

While we (I) might disagree that the talking points would frame Bush as a failure (except about the explaining the plan thing), I think keeping it simple like this is what will make you look best.

In other news, the Washington Post is starting with the nice writeups on Dean's brother. Please keep it coming. It says they were on a sightseeing/rafting trip down the Mekong to Thailand, on their way to visit a Peace Corps friend in Tibet. The description of the kid was, well, nice. If there is anything wrong, we will hear it. But, if we don't hear anything from Dean's camp, we (the electorate) will assume its messy. So, if there is nothing wrong, please just describe the nice young man who ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time while travelling. Just more hopefully helpful advice to keep your man in the running.

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[Not Me]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Any particular cities come to mind? I'm willing to google for this.

Atlanta, Nashville, Tampa, Charlotte, Raleigh, Birmingham, IMHO. However, it really just does depend on what you mean by bussing "works." If by "works" you mean that it lessens racism, then it worked in the southeastern US.

Am I saying that there is no racism in the southeast? No, of course not. Am I saying that there is less racism in the southeastern US because whites were forced to attend school with blacks? Yes, I am.

Doesn't seem like that happened in Boston, though. But I feel it did help in the southeastern US.

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
With respect to the "Democratic Plantation" thing, my preference for the Republican party barely holds in this regard. I pray that they find selfless leadership who never recommends holding a hand out except to receive a handshake or embrace. I will gladly embrace any of those who suffer and I know their overall community does disproportionately. If Dean or one of the other realistic candidates (Clark?) would reach out to true inner city leaders who won't make me cringe, I promise to consider voting for them.

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I never indicated that the promised land was the Republican Party. Just agreed that Black America has not been well served by its leaders or the Democratic Party.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch

Of course the loyal opposition despises GWB; he's never offered them an olive branch after 2000. He interpreted an electoral college victory as a mandate for sweeping policy changes across the board. He appointed Ashcroft as AG. Taking his lead, the GOP minions in the House and Senate think that it's acceptable to hold legislative conferences on sweeping legislation at which industry lobbyists are welcome, but Dems are not.

I dispute nothing that you say. However, I bet GWB just laughs his ass off that he has done exactly what you say he has.

Not only did he give the Dems the finger after an electoral college victory and a popular vote loss, he ran like a moderate, but governs like a conservative.

But as long as the economy is growing and there are no more terrorist attacks on US soil, he will continue to be president and continue to be able to give the finger to the Dems.

Not saying it is right or wrong. Just saying that it is.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch

laugh about hookers and beer.

Hey, you sexist asshole! The exploitation of women by the sex trade ain't funny!

[Not Me]

Originally posted by bilmore

The rest were simply appalled that this asshole would fuck some little intern kiddiegirl right there in the damn White House while controlling the entire NOW endorsement.

I am pretty sure that he didn't fuck her. She just sucked him off. While fellatio is definitely sex, it is not fucking.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by bilmore
4% of Repubs really disliked (hated?) Clinton. The rest were simply appalled that this asshole would fuck some little intern kiddiegirl right there in the damn White House while controlling the entire NOW endorsement.

There was this disonance, ya' know?

True, but OTOH it's also analogous to Bush managing to control of the fiscal conservative wing of the party while pissing away another $400B of goodies just this week.

Those inclined to side with him are embarrassed by the hypocrisy, but unlikely to change positions, no?

And as to your percentage, republican please. 4% is the number convinced that Bill did the drugrunning himself because he couldn't trust his suppliers.

Additionally, for your assertion to work, it would've had to turn on Clinton's behavior in '96 or so. I remember Limbaugh starting his radio show with the screaming headers "AMERICA HELD HOSTAGE, DAY [x]" starting on Clinton's inauguration day -- in 1992.

Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Gattigap

True, but OTOH it's also analogous to Bush managing to control of the fiscal conservative wing of the party while pissing away another $400B of goodies just this week.

Those inclined to side with him are embarrassed by the hypocrisy, but unlikely to change positions, no?

Gotta agree with you on this one. But, similarly, Bill Clinton reformed welfare and "those inclined to side with him [were] embarrassed by the hypocrisy" too.

Originally posted by Gattigap

And as to your percentage, republican please. 4% is the number convinced that Bill did the drugrunning himself because he couldn't trust his suppliers.

I thought 4% was the number convinced that Hillary had Vince Foster killed.

Originally posted by Gattigap

Additionally, for your assertion to work, it would've had to turn on Clinton's behavior in '96 or so. I remember Limbaugh starting his radio show with the screaming headers "AMERICA HELD HOSTAGE, DAY [x]" starting on Clinton's inauguration day -- in 1992.

So you listen to Rush?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
In other news, Boston is looking at ending desegration bussing. Baltimore's school system layed off 700+ workers. The schools are basically broke. Did that bussing thing work anywhere? Seriously, I cannot recall ever having heard of anyplace that it worked.
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Not sure what you mean by "work" but I was on the receiving end of the bussing project in LA and overall had a pretty favorable experience.*

*This is not an endorcement of forced integration or bussing.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Not sure what you mean by "work" but I was on the receiving end of the bussing project in LA and overall had a pretty favorable experience.*

*This is not an endorcement of forced integration or bussing.

*Work = did not prompt significant numbers on one of the (two) groups you wished to integrate to move entirely out of the system.

I note that I too had a favorable bussing experience, such that I was sent to a top integrated magnet school. My previous experiences in my neighborhood had been okay too though.

But I think its safe to say that Chicago's experience has not had a greatly favorable impact overall. Don't get me wrong, the Chicago system was totally and completely busted before bussing too. Bussing just didn't fix anything.

There has got to be a better way, though my own suggestion would be that a better way would extend well beyond the schools. We need to integrate society. Right now, we concentrate poverty (and largely race) with federal money. Its almost like the government is acquiescing to the fears of racists and classists by not subjecting them to the disastrous effects of artificially concentrated poverty. Hey, just move out to the new suburbs and we'll keep the poor people tied down here (or allow them to elect to concentrate themselves using Section 8 vouchers).

If federal money was distributed more evenly for things like housing, head start, child care etc..., I'd guess more (poor) recipients would evenly distribute themselves in order to receive it. Reminds me of "if you build it, they will come" sorta.

And that sort of economically based redistribution would, I believe, desegregate schools better than any arbitrary bussing edict.

Hell(reading the DMCA tonight! YAY)o