All Hank, all the time.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
We killed civilians/ blew up infrastructure/raped a bunch of them. Maybe you think we should have just not invaded?

I don't remember the rape part from The Longest Day and A Bridge Too Far.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
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quote:Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Are you really suggesting there is anything sympathetic to the Apache or Kulaks?
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?

In my limited self-defense, it made as much sense as the post of yours too which I was responding.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't remember the rape part from The Longest Day and A Bridge Too Far.

my wife's family is Russian Jew, in that time frame when I say "we" I mean the red Army.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
my wife's family is Russian Jew, in that time frame when I say "we" I mean the red Army.

I guess I would hope for a happy medium somewhere between raping and pillaging and leveling the enemy's country, on the one hand, and rolling over supine, on the other.

Which, come to think about it, is what I was saying about Israel and Hezbollah. They didn't have to grin and take it, but they shouldn't be razing so much of Lebanon.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I guess I would hope for a happy medium somewhere between raping and pillaging and leveling the enemy's country, on the one hand, and rolling over supine, on the other.

Which, come to think about it, is what I was saying about Israel and Hezbollah. They didn't have to grin and take it, but they shouldn't be razing so much of Lebanon.

I'd forgotten, you were the sock who knew so much about how we should man and equip the Iraq invasion- big brain Ty!

Maybe if you would just consult with the IDF they would understand your insights. Is there an Israeli consulate in SF?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I'd forgotten, you were the sock who knew so much about how we should man and equip the Iraq invasion- big brain Ty!

I think you are confusing me with Peter Thottam Hotspur, which was actually a Penske sock released in conjunction with the 2002 World Cup.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't remember the rape part from The Longest Day and A Bridge Too Far.

you don't think General Lee Marvin would have taken advantage of all those peasant girls? Have you seen the allegations in the complaint filed by Michelle Triola?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
you don't think General Lee Marvin would have taken advantage of all those peasant girls?

Gene Hackman's Polish Airborne Brigade, maybe, but only after they got dropped on the wrong side of the river.

Have you seen the allegations in the complaint filed by Michelle Triola?

Um, no.

A quick Google search suggests that you have a twisted and dangerous fascination with Lee Marvin. Oh, Hank -- if I only understand what this meant, I'm sure it would explain so much. And here I am, without a bleg to stand on.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Indeed. It is defined in the relevant Convention as follows:

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.




Killing an innocent in the course of killing a terrorist, while tragic, is not remotely akin to genocide.

Nor is attempting to wipe out an enemy military, such as Hezbollah.

The Apache, the Huks, the Hmong, and a very very lengthy list of others were victims of genocide. Hamas and Hezbollah cannot be, by definition.



eta: One could, however, make the argument that Hezbollah and Hamas are perpetrators of genocide. Are not their indiscriminate rocket attacks designed to destroy an ethnic or religious group in whole or in part?

Hezbollah and Hamas are both political parties as well as paramilitary organizations, living among an ethnically identical polpulation. You, along with Hank and Club, have openly and expressly advocated what is basically a "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" policy. That sounds like intent to destroy a religious and ethnic population, which fits within all but the last of the conditions of genocide you quoted.

It's easy enough to say, "I only want to kill the terrorists; if some innocnet Arabs get killed as well, it's a necessary tragedy." It's apparently almost impossible to admit that it's genocide if for no other reason than you can't distinguish the bad guys from the innocents.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Sidd, you know how frustrated you have been the last few days as you argue with THOSE people - you know, the ones that refuse to think rationally? The ones that make you feel like banging your head against the wall repeatedly until it goes numb? Well, that is just a smigen of what I've had to deal with the last X years on this board (present company excluded, of course).

Except for the exlusion, no offence, Club has my proxy on this one.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I was going to bring them up- then I thought, no, best not to. Don't want to shock Penske right back into Clinton photoshops on his first full day back-

In exchange for allowing me to access (i.e. removing the ban) the board from the ISPs that this site has recorded for me, I promised the admin(s) that I would behave.

So far so good.

[Spanky]

Why the panic of Hillary becoming President? As Democrats go she is not so bad. She is a far cry from Kerry. She is in the DLC camp.


The Democrats

Hillary's American dream
Jul 27th 2006 | WASHINGTON, DC
From The Economist print edition

Making globalisation less scary with cushions and ladders


IF YOU say something no one could disagree with, you are probably wasting carbon dioxide. Why then, did Hillary Clinton bother to reveal this week that she is for “performance-based governing, not photo-ops; hope and fairness, not fear and favouritism”? Because she is a politician, obviously. But also because the Democrats have been trying to sound constructive this week, giving Bush-bashing a rest and floating a fleet of new policy ideas. Mrs Clinton's speech to the Democratic Leadership Council's “national conversation” on July 24th in Denver, Colorado, included hardly any direct attacks on Republicans—only the innuendo that the president favours nasty things like fear and photo-opportunities.

But the speech had substance, too. The DLC recently produced a book on security policy, arguing, roughly speaking, that Islamist terrorism is as big a threat as George Bush says it is, but needs to be fought more intelligently. This week came the domestic-policy sequel: “The American Dream Initiative”. The promise of America, said Mrs Clinton, is that if you work hard, you and your children can succeed. But the middle class is squeezed between sluggish pay rises and the soaring costs of health care, college and petrol.

Globalisation, although it makes the world richer, causes economic insecurity. Workers worldwide are worried that someone, somewhere can do their job for less. Americans, despite low unemployment, are especially nervous because losing their job can mean losing their family's health insurance. This is one reason why the Democratic Party's core supporters are reflexively hostile to free trade.

Mrs Clinton and the DLC represent the party's centrist wing: tough on national defence, liberal (in the European sense) on trade and distrusted by the left. “The American Dream Initiative” is an attempt to make globalisation sound less scary by supplying cushions and ladders. The cushions include more tax breaks for home-ownership, a free $500 bond for all new babies (an idea copied from Britain) and a subsidy for retirement savings. Small employers burdened with health-care costs would be able to use a nationwide “purchasing pool” for insurance. The ladders include more subsidies for college and a proposal for longer school hours.

All this will cost money. Mrs Clinton promised to find savings by curbing tax-breaks for rich businesses and axing 100,000 unnecessary consultants, though she wisely refrained from naming any potential victims besides Halliburton. At the same time, she promised to restore the fiscal discipline that has slipped so dangerously under Mr Bush. Democrats, she said, would restore the “pay-as-you-go” budget rules that, until 2002, obliged Congress to match any spending increase with a cut elsewhere or a tax rise.

The next day, in Washington, DC, another group of centrist Democrats called the Hamilton Project offered a complementary set of proposals. One gem: a young wonk named Austan Goolsbee suggested that 40% of American taxpayers should be exempted from filling in their own tax returns because the Internal Revenue Service already knows what they earn, having demanded records from their employers and banks. This, he said, would save $44 billion in compliance costs over ten years. It would be good for family values, he argued, since people would be able to spend 225m more hours with their loved ones instead of wrestling with incomprehensible forms.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't remember the rape part from The Longest Day and A Bridge Too Far.

Your inability to distinguish Hollywood dramatisation from history gives us comforting, yet concerning, insite into your reliance on blogs as evidentiary cites.

Thanks.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Your inability to distinguish Hollywood dramatisation from history gives us comforting, yet concerning, insite into your reliance on blogs as evidentiary cites.

Thanks.

When you're at a party and someone tells a joke, do you often find yourself repeating the punchline?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
When you're at a party and someone tells a joke, do you often find yourself repeating the punchline?

Out loud or to myself in my head?