Nutjobs Ranting About Politics.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
As to the ones who have made specific factual statements about Kerry's alleged misrepresentations or misconduct that have been discredited (i.e. just about all of them, except on the Cambodia story) -- I'm perfectly willing to believe that most of them believe what they say. Memories fade after 30 years, and people tend to remember what they want to believe.

Yes, Kerry's memory conveniently faded.

• The evidence shows John Kerry was a ruthless operator in the field, with little regard for life. One example is the sampan incident in An Thoi in January 1969.

Link

[The Larry Davis Experience]

Originally posted by fair and balanced
Who said Kerry throws like a girl?

That effete liberal bastard. Look at his fingers! He's throwing a knuckler to a kid, trying to make himself look good.

I guess the slider he shorthopped at Fenway before the convention has caused him to rely on his best stuff when the horsehide comes out, no matter who is on the other end.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
All the talk hereabouts on the subject of Kerry and his so-called lying made me worried that my conservative brothers would get so bitter during this election that we wouldn't be able to come together as a nation once Kerry is elected. According to the Presidential Prayer Team, I don't need to worry about this:

That's a neat site. It's also got this.



Which also contains this admonition about how every vote counts.

• Does One Vote Count?
  
  When asked why they don’t vote, many Americans say they wonder if their vote really counts.
  Consider the following.
  
  * Texas was admitted to the Union in 1845 by one vote.
  * Hitler won leadership of the German Nazi Party in 1923 by one vote.
  * The US House of Representatives, in 1801, elected Thomas Jefferson as President of the United States by one vote.
  * One vote per precinct passed women’s suffrage in California in 1911.
  * In 1941, the Selective Service Act (the draft) was saved by one vote just weeks before Pearl Harbor was attacked.
  * John F. Kennedy won the presidency by less than one vote per precinct nationwide.

Curious that they didn't post any examples from more recent history. Maybe this site hasn't been updated in a number of years.

• ©2004The Presidential Prayer Team

Whoops! Guess it has been.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Not Me
Yes, Kerry's memory conveniently faded.

• The evidence shows John Kerry was a ruthless operator in the field, with little regard for life. One example is the sampan incident in An Thoi in January 1969.

Link

See, Bilmore?

Kerry = baby killer.

[From other posts,] Edwards = Rebel.

It's allllll falling into place. Fun to watch the GOP machine churn, no?

Gattigap

Originally posted by Gattigap
See, Bilmore?

Kerry = baby killer.

And a double-agent:

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Gattigap
See, Bilmore?

Kerry = baby killer.

You missed the point of the story. Kerry himself admits to the dead baby. The story is that Kerry did not include that tidbit of information in the official reports. But yet he remembered it years later when it suited his political aspirations.

I don't know if he killed a baby or not. He is the one who said that the did. It was war and they were protecting themselves and sometimes innocents died. That isn't the issue. The issue is that Kerry is the one whose memories don't match official reports. HE is the one with the memory problem.

He is also a hypocrite for condemning what others who served in Vietnam did when he did the same or worse.

Originally posted by Not Me
You missed the point of the story. Kerry himself admits..that...he killed a baby....HE is the one with the memory problem....He is also a hypocrite

And don't forget the football thing:

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Not Me
You missed the point of the story.

We're not gonna get into this "missing the point" conversation again, are we?

My comment was to Bilmore, recalling an earlier thread about how the Conservative Smear Du Jour vacillates between Sissified Wimp ("Only 4 months in Country? Barely wounded? That Pussy!") and Crazed Killing Machine with Little Care for Human Life.

Bilmore didn't believe the Kerry-as-Thor comparisons, and your helpful little article (thanks for that) contains wonderful little quips like "The evidence shows John Kerry was a ruthless operator in the field, with little regard for life." Coming from the Washington Times? You don't get much more Establishment than that, baby.

So, let's keep 'em coming, kids. Red America can't connect with someone from such a privileged background, but they CAN connect with military service. What a twang, multiple failed oil companies and an stride apparently borne from excessive time on a horse can accomplish for one candidate, images of a bloodthirsty Vietnam veteran razing entire villages with a Zippo lighter can do for another.

Gattigap

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Gattigap
My comment was to Bilmore, recalling an earlier thread about how the Conservative Smear Du Jour vacillates between Sissified Wimp ("Only 4 months in Country? Barely wounded? That Pussy!") and Crazed Killing Machine with Little Care for Human Life

Killing a baby makes you Thor? Hardly. Neither does shooting someone in the back. Killing innocents doesn't make someone macho. It was war and that shit happened and it was unfortunate but they had the right to protect themselves. But when innocents get killed accidently it doesn't make you a war hero. Not a war criminal, either, if it was unintentional. Accidently killing unarmed civilians doesn't make someone macho. Careless perhaps depending on the circumstances, but not macho.

War heros are those who act bravely. There are those who say that Kerry did not.

You missed the point, though. The point was that his memory is faulty when filling out official reports.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Conservatives heading to their local bookstore to buy "Unfit For Command" should remember to look for it in the Fiction section.

That is all.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Conservatives heading to their local bookstore to buy "Unfit For Command" should remember to look for it in the Fiction section.

That is all.

Liberals looking to read fiction should look at the official reports that Kerry filed while in Vietnam. Or listen to his account once he got back. One of the two is fiction because they don't match each other.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
No. They didn't want us to invade Iraq. Bsirske said,

• "On Day X as many people as possible should take to the streets and show that they are against the war in Iraq. We call upon all members to take part in the actions.”
  
  “Let us set our protest against the warmongers, the protest of millions of people in the entire world, our dedication and our strength, the strength of the international peace movement!”

Nothing in there about wanting our troops to go home. I would wager a lot of Germans -- even Germans who opposed the war in Iraq -- are grateful that we defended their country for so many years and would like us to stay for reasons to go beyond the local economy. They can feel that way and still oppose the war in Iraq, hard as that may be for you to comprehend.

Perhaps you know something more about Mr. Bsirske, etc. -- I'm only reading the blog you linked to.

eta: No doubt, around the world there are misguided leftists attack our policies and our military because they cannot or do not distinguish between the two. It's sad when conservatives are blind in the same way.

I'm with Ty. If it makes sense to pull the troops for troop deployment reasons, then do so. Whether some impact on Germany happens should not be relevant. In fact, impact on Germany should point to not pulling the troops (not control the decision but weight against). We should be trying to keep allies where we can.

On the other hand JFK's knee jerk, no we shouldn't pull the troops shows the silliness that is the guy's total platform.

1) Our solution to Iraq is to bring in troops from Germany and France
2) We can't pull our troops from Germany and France, how could they survive?
Me
3)Huh?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
In other news, the UAE has won a gold medal, in http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/olympics/2004/medaltracker/243CountryByTotal.html] shooting.[/url] Wonder what the targets were?

I know Iran won't compete against Israelis, but maybe they would shoot at Jew-inspired targets. Is that what you meant? Race baiter. I might ask Gatti to get Thurgreed after you.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by The Larry Davis Experience
The only way he had "a significant hand in exactly what he complains of" is if you think an architect and a building inspector have the same job.

Condi's a lesbo. Can't trust the homos, eh Larry?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
For private sector defined benefit plans, the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation guarantees benefits up to a certain level if the company abandons an underfunded plan. So, people who were low-paid continue getting their full benefits but people whose benefit would be higher than whatever the maximum is will get a lower benefit. If the plan is abandoned but almost completely fully funded (which would be less usual) and the assets are sufficient to pay more than the guaranteed maximum, the people who are entitled to higher benefits under the terms of the plan will get higher benefits.

Dude. You should get a job at, like, Starbucks. That you know that shit is a big part of the relating to others problems, I think ,