Politics: Where we struggle to kneel in the muck.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Okay, you want a simple and principled answer on the abortion/gay marriage issues (there are two issues, by the way)? How about this: no legislature has any business regulating the familial relations of citizens in a free and democratic society unless it can demonstrate a compelling overriding public health interest.

I realize that actually having to deal with me as an individual disrupts your favored approach of addressing cliches instead of actual beliefs or positions, but there it is,

Great. Will you allow the rest of us a chance to vote on the framework, or do we continue to have a Court make up interpretations as we go along as long as they support the end that you want?

[SlaveNoMore]

taxwonk
How about this: no legislature has any business regulating the familial relations of citizens in a free and democratic society unless it can demonstrate a compelling overriding public health interest.

Enter stage right - Not Me, with a bagful of polygamy.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Not Bob
I read the article, too, Bilmore, and to be fair you should have noted that the quotes from the Kerry people (to the question of why they are voting for Kerry) are more along the lines of "it's 50-50 -- I like him and he's the Not Bush."

Has that ever not been the case where an incumbent seeks reelection? Were Repubs really all that enthusiastic about Dole in 1996?* Certainly a lot of Clinton's support was for "change" in his first election. And how many primaries did Reagan lose -- five? -- before the Repubs finally picked him as their candidate, in a year where people regularly said "Anyone but Carter"?

Ross Perot stands out as an exception -- he was popular because he was him. But how far did that take him?

[dtb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
name 5 peple to whom you'd award the Heisman? If its tough, does that mean you'd want your sister dating OJ?

Well, hell, Hank... who wouldn't? I mean, he's shown such dedication, what with going after his wife's "real killers" and all.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Has that ever not been the case where an incumbent seeks reelection? Were Repubs really all that enthusiastic about Dole in 1996?* Certainly a lot of Clinton's support was for "change" in his first election. And how many primaries did Reagan lose -- five? -- before the Repubs finally picked him as their candidate, in a year where people regularly said "Anyone but Carter"?

Ross Perot stands out as an exception -- he was popular because he was him. But how far did that take him?

McGovern and Mondale - both had rabid supporters.

Just not enough of them.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Okay, you want a simple and principled answer on the abortion/gay marriage issues (there are two issues, by the way)? How about this: no legislature has any business regulating the familial relations of citizens in a free and democratic society unless it can demonstrate a compelling overriding public health interest.

Preventing the death of an innocent life is about as important of a public health interest as it gets. You are forgetting that with abortion, someone dies.

eta: I don't think deciding whether your kids live or die should be deemed "familial relations."

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The fastest way to shut up a pro-lifer is to ask him or her if he/she is willing to pay the cost attendant to raising the child through college. I've never seen so much sudden and debilitating larengitis hit the assembeled members of a group all at once.

Well you must be talking to some morons, because if you asked me (not that I'd classify myself as a pro-lifer) I'd say "Sebby, I already do. It's called welfare, AIDC, Pell Grants, etc."

[bilmore]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Well you must be talking to some morons, because if you asked me (not that I'd classify myself as a pro-lifer) I'd say "Sebby, I already do. It's called welfare, AIDC, Pell Grants, etc."

I'm guessing he's talking to his pro-choice friends, and they're all laughing at the line, 'cuz they just KNOW that would shut up a pro-lifer if they ever spoke to one.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Has that ever not been the case where an incumbent seeks reelection? Were Repubs really all that enthusiastic about Dole in 1996?*

Huh? There were many of us who were very enthusiastic about the Dole/Kemp ticket. Both are principled people with distinguished careers and would have made great leaders.

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
And how many primaries did Reagan lose -- five? -- before the Repubs finally picked him as their candidate, in a year where people regularly said "Anyone but Carter"?

I disagree with you here, too.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Well you must be talking to some morons, because if you asked me (not that I'd classify myself as a pro-lifer) I'd say "Sebby, I already do. It's called welfare, AFDC, Pell Grants, etc."

2.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
If there was a fastest way to shut you up, I'm sure somebody would have figured it out by now.

Hello

Having him shot didn't work?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
The fastest way to shut up an idiot that throws this simple line out is (1) remind them there are hundreds of thousands of parents in this country looking to adopt, (2) my taxes already pay for welfare for other's people's mothers and public education for other's people's kids, and (3) since when is going to college be an inalienable right?

You're calling me simple and then saying "It can all be cured with adoption?" Jesus man, you're in a fucking glass castle.

How does adoption solve the problem of the effect of the unwanted pregnancy on the woman? Does she get a vote? Or is it her fault? I notice the people harrumphing about moral responsibilty almost exclusively have penises. Strange coincidence...

Your taxes don't begin to pay for all the costs people who are forced to have children will be forced to bear. What are we going to do with all those kids who don't get adopted?

You're right - college isn't a birthright, but in the country we presently occupy, its the only way to ensure the kid won't wind up on the govt dole later. Are you advocating more unskilled people be brought into our society? Perhaps to add a few thousand headcount to the voter roles in the red states? Maybe we can convince these uneducated people that the inheritance tax will effect them or that Syria is planning to bomb them.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
The fact that so many greedy liberal lawyers can read what I write and still not have the first clue what I've said is evidence to me of the lengths people will go to not know what is happening in this nation.

Hello

Others would draw a different conclusion.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You're calling me simple and then saying "It can all be cured with adoption?" Jesus man, you're in a fucking glass castle.

How does adoption solve the problem of the effect of the unwanted pregnancy on the woman? Does she get a vote? Or is it her fault? I notice the people harrumphing about moral responsibilty almost exclusively have penises. Strange coincidence...

Your taxes don't begin to pay for all the costs people who are forced to have children will be forced to bear. What are we going to do with all those kids who don't get adopted?

You're right - college isn't a birthright, but in the country we presently occupy, its the only way to ensure the kid won't wind up on the govt dole later. Are you advocating more unskilled people be brought into our society? Perhaps to add a few thousand headcount to the voter roles in the red states? Maybe we can convince these uneducated people that the inheritance tax will effect them or that Syria is planning to bomb them.

teens who get pregnant typically do so while listening to music with horns in it.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You're calling me simple and then saying "It can all be cured with adoption?" Jesus man, you're in a fucking glass castle.

How does adoption solve the problem of the effect of the unwanted pregnancy on the woman? Does she get a vote? Or is it her fault? I notice the people harrumphing about moral responsibilty almost exclusively have penises. Strange coincidence...

Your taxes don't begin to pay for all the costs people who are forced to have children will be forced to bear. What are we going to do with all those kids who don't get adopted?

You're right - college isn't a birthright, but in the country we presently occupy, its the only way to ensure the kid won't wind up on the govt dole later. Are you advocating more unskilled people be brought into our society? Perhaps to add a few thousand headcount to the voter roles in the red states? Maybe we can convince these uneducated people that the inheritance tax will effect them or that Syria is planning to bomb them.

Note to All - I've noticed that it helps to read Sebby's posts by inserting "many" instead of "all," and similar changes because, it Sebby speak, this is what he really means.