Nutjobs Ranting About Politics.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Proving, that this was not a pipe dream of the right for political purposes.

Sigh. I have got to remember to stop atacking shibboleths of the right. The ball never moves, and at the end of the day I've pissed away more billable time than I'd care to admit.

Club, you understand that this reasoning says nothing about the proximity of those convictions to what the allegations against the Clintons, right?

When (for example) Web Hubbell was found to have defraud his lawfirm partners of about $400k, I thought that said more about the carte blanche held by investigators to investigate and prosecute, you know, wrongdoing of any sort that they happened to come across during their Pursuit of Ultimate Truth than anything else.

But if you choose to believe that these and the other 11 convictions really tell us that the Clintons were dirty (though exceptionally Evil Geniuses to hide their tracks so well) then knock yourself out.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Not Me
Like that Gatti wears clothes from the Gap.

Yeah, that's it.

I've gone over the derivation some time ago, and thought you were around for it.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Gattigap
the Clintons were dirty (though exceptionally Evil Geniuses to hide their tracks so well)

That is what I am saying. At least they weren't engaging in beastiality with Jimmy Hoffa, though.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by bilmore
This is confusing me. (As does much of life.) Do you mean, an antiwar position is risky in that sense, or ANY discrete position is risky, as it may not prevail?

You'll have to pardon me for conjecture, because in 1971 I was in utero. As a person born after both Kerry's military career and his Senate testimony, I'm at a disadvantage.

From that perspective, it's easy to say now that being against the war was a calculated move in a path toward being anointed King Lefty. However, even with the hindsight of history, it's not easy to say that it was a great way to get elected POTUS.

The facts that followed 1971 don't seem to follow your theory that being anti-war was political opportunism. In regard to this specific case, Kerry went from VVAW to losing a congressional race. To a Republican. In Massachusetts. In 1972.

So he became a deputy DA. You can't get much more The Man than that. And lo, in 1982 he finally won his first elective office.

I don't necessarily think staking out any real position always kills your chances for election, but it's absurd to say people were joining the anti-war movement because they thought it would be a ticket to leadership in government.

[Replaced_Texan]

I'm sure that D!verseworks is probably partially funded by the NEA, which will piss off some of you, but their next exhibit is an interactive look at American politics during the campaign. Some of you may be interested in participating and adding a different perspective:

Margaret Crane|Jon Winet: 2004 - America & The Globe
September 16 - November 6, 2004
Opening reception: Thursday, September 16, 6-9pm as part of Downtown Stomp-around
DiverseWorks Main Gallery


For the fifth consecutive presidential campaign season, the new media artist team of Margaret Crane|Jon Winet is producing a multi-media work focusing on democratic practice in America. During this election year, the interdisciplinary 2004 America & The Globe project explores the democratic process and the spectacle of presidential campaigns in the United States. Viewing the campaign process as an exercise in political theater, Crane|Winet's approach results in a complex and technologically layered presentation that includes public forums and discussions, written publications and web actions, exhibitions, film and video. DiverseWorks is working in collaboration with Aurora Picture Show, Lawndale Art Center, Museum of Fine Arts Houston and Voices Breaking Boundaries on a joint project entitled The Voting Machine, which consists of a series of election-related programs hosted by each organization in the months leading up to the November election.

Over the past fifteen years, the collaboration between Margaret Crane|Jon Winet has produced work that revolves around the language and images of the information age. Most of their work focuses on the psycho-social dynamics of contemporary urban life. In 1988, Crane|Winet launched their first presidential election year project. Subsequent collaborations have included Sunset (Los Angeles, 1997), Nightfall at Yerba Buena Center for the Arts (San Francisco, 1998), Democracy-The Last Campaign (Minneapolis/Buffalo/San Francisco/Irvine, 2000-2001), and Monument (Newcastle, 2003).


www.america-the-globe.net

From http://www.diverseworks.org/programs...ry.shtml#winet

For those of you in Houston, the opening is at D!verseworks on September 16, the night before ACL starts.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
From that perspective, it's easy to say now that being against the war was a calculated move in a path toward being anointed King Lefty. However, even with the hindsight of history, it's not easy to say that it was a great way to get elected POTUS.

The facts that followed 1971 don't seem to follow your theory that being anti-war was political opportunism. In regard to this specific case, Kerry went from VVAW to losing a congressional race. To a Republican. In Massachusetts. In 1972.

So he became a deputy DA. You can't get much more The Man than that. And lo, in 1982 he finally won his first elective office.

What a flip flopper he is!

[sgtclub]

This is probably an FB item, but as I don't post there I'll post it here. Anybody heard that voicemail allegedly from a W&S attorney to Latham? I have it and it is precious. Anyway can post it to the site? It's in emailable form.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Proving, that this was not a pipe dream of the right for political purposes.

Sorry, Gatti, I can't leave it be.

Club -- How many of those 14 convictions were for crimes connected to the original allegations? Explain how they were worth $40+ million of your hard-earned tax dollars. Explain how any motivation other than patisanship could have kept the investigation going for eight years, in so many different directions, only to uncover a whole pile of mostly petty crap.

Take your time, or just refer me to a book published by Regnery to set me straight.

S_A_M

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by sgtclub
This is probably an FB item, but as I don't post there I'll post it here. Anybody heard that voicemail allegedly from a W&S attorney to Latham? I have it and it is precious. Anyway I can post it to the site? It's in emailable form.

Yes. Close reviewing indicated that monkeys were somehow involved, so I accused Flinty of being on the receiving end. His denials were flaccid, but there's no way to know for sure.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by sgtclub
This is probably an FB item, but as I don't post there I'll post it here. Anybody heard that voicemail allegedly from a W&S attorney to Latham? I have it and it is precious. Anyway can post it to the site? It's in emailable form.

You can e-mail it to me and I can put it on our server. replacedtexan@hotmail.com

eta: or if it's just text, then you can post it yourself.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by sgtclub
This is probably an FB item, but as I don't post there I'll post it here. Anybody heard that voicemail allegedly from a W&S attorney to Latham? I have it and it is precious. Anyway can post it to the site? It's in emailable form.

What is the general point? I disabled my sound card so I won't be able to hear it

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Not Me
What a flip flopper he is!

Presumably he wasn't assigned to the Baby Killer Prosecution Unit. Thank God for Roe v. Wade!

[Replaced_Texan]

From Atrios

Kerry press release (Excerpt):

• Bush Campaign Busted Passing Out “Swift Boat Veterans for Bush” Flyer
  Washington, DC - Despite constant denials, the Bush-Cheney campaign today was busted coordinating with the “Swift Boat Veterans for Bush” in their smear campaign against John Kerry. The following press release was issued this afternoon by the Florida Democratic Party. The evidence is attached.
  
  “Bush Campaign Caught Promoting "Swift Boat Vets for Truth"
  
  While National Campaign Denies Coordination, Campaign in Florida Promotes Rally
  
  Tallahassee -- On the same day that the Bush-Cheney campaign repeatedly denied coordinating attacks with the anti-Kerry group "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth," the Bush-Cheney campaign in Florida was caught promoting a rally in Gainesville for the group.
  
  A flyer being distributed at the Alachua County Republican party headquarters, which doubles as the Bush-Cheney campaign headquarters for the county, promotes a weekend rally sponsored by "Swift Boat Vets for Truth, Veterans for Bush, Alachua Bush/Cheney Committee," and others.

I'm sure, really, that it was just a few staff members acting on their own accord...

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Not Me
What is the general point? I disabled my sound card so I won't be able to hear it

one associate berating another.

[Gattigap]

Coltrane, Hand, Wonk --

Is Keyes getting any support from anyone in Illinois? Or is it just sad to watch?

Based on this recent collection of quotes from state GOP officials, I can't imagine that there's much effort going into this at all.

My favorite quote: "A lot of the mainline Republicans in our area would like to have seen somebody who isn’t so far right,” said state Sen. Dale Risinger, R-Peoria. “We’re going to support Alan Keyes and hope for the best.”