Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Too bluesy? Man, they are stupid.

http://www.eonline.com/Features/Feat...on/index2.html

Hey! That's not fair! The same could honestly be said about the profound music of N*SYNC or 98 Degrees.

Really. It takes a lot of listening to truly discern all the meanings.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by leagleaze
We have a state do not call list and I am on that. However I have not had much trouble with telemarketers anyway. Not since I got an unlisted number, something I have had since 1998. I resent the fact I have to pay to have my number NOT put in the phone book, but it's worth it.

I signed up for the TX list yesterday after the first bonehead ruling on the federal list. Turns out you have to pay to be put on the state list here. So I shelled out the $4.80.

Truth is I just don't answer my home phone unless (1) I'm home and (2) the caller ID shows me that name and/or number of someone I know. Those two things happen together very infrequently. I only care at all about fucking telemarketer calls because they clog up my home voicemail and they sometimes call before noon on weekend mornings, which is simply not acceptable with my busy party like a rockstar lifestyle.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I only care at all about fucking telemarketer calls because they clog up my home voicemail and they sometimes call before noon on weekend mornings, which is simply not acceptable with my busy party like a rockstar lifestyle.

Yeah, when do you have to stop sleeping in til noon on the weekends? Are kids the only reason people stop doing this?

Sleep is just wonderful.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Not if they are pissed off enough, and politically motivated enough, to pressure their pols into an amendment. Such are the wonders of our system. That is exactly the thing that would worry me about this (if I didn't think there was a strong likelihood that the 10th circuit will overturn - as per Politics, I agree with you that the decision is hinkey). Enough people have been pissed off for years to make the possibility of a serious backlash, with the possiblity of some real collateral damage, possible if not likely. Harrassing judges by phone is nothing. Millions of pissed off consumers strongly backing a constitutional amendment stripping all protection from commercial speech should scare the pants off of you.

While I agree with you on some of this, I have a hard time believing that you are posting a judge's numbers out of concern for the Constitution. It sounds too much like pushing for capital punishment in order to alleviate prison crowding.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by purse junkie
I don't see the First Amendment fuss over this issue. If I don't want to talk to someone who wants to talk to me, I have an equivalent First Amendment right to tell them to screw off. That's all the do not call list does, but without my wasting my time.

Well, the issue for the court was that the gov't is giving you the opportunity to tell one kind of telemarketer to screw off, but not others, based on the content of their message. (Since the trigger is the consumer's election, I frankly don't see a legitimate 1st A problem with that, either, but whatever.) The decision sort of came down to "charitable speech is more protected than commercial speech, but because consumers can't also opt out of being harassed by charities, the gov't can't show that the restriction serves the purpose of protecting consumers."

You can see why both Bilmore and I read the case and said "Whaaaa???" though he's clearly not the rabid, psycho telemarketer hater that I am.

Edited to add:

[Aloha Mr. Learned Hand]

Negotiations are underway between NBC, Bravo and the producers and stars of Queer Eye for an additional 40 episodes, with substantial raises for the cast. Upcoming shows will see the Fab 5 venture into the Midwest and Texas. Also, the Fab 5 have apparently reached a $1.2 million book deal...

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/TV/0...eut/index.html


In other celebrity death news, writer, critic and 80's video game pitchman George Plimpton dead at age 76...

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
Upcoming shows will see the Fab 5 venture into the Midwest and Texas.

Watch for Mr. Man appearing soon... I need to practice my white-background, putupon girlfriend lines.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by bilmore
While I agree with you on some of this, I have a hard time believing that you are posting a judge's numbers out of concern for the Constitution.

Well, I admit, not entirely. Still, public servants must learn to answer to and embrace their public.

It sounds too much like pushing for capital punishment in order to alleviate prison crowding.

That would a more appropriate analogy for the legislative overkill a backlash might generate. Phone calls are more like trying to solve the overcrowing problem by demanding ... super-calorie restricted diets?

BR(no, this is not intended to open the floor to more anti-fat jokes)C

George Plimpton is dead? My friend just started working for him liek less than two months ago and said he was totally spry amd healthy and went out every night.

THis is all very kinda puzzling and fucked up

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
The decision sort of came down to "charitable speech is more protected than commercial speech, but because consumers can't also opt out of being harassed by charities, the gov't can't show that the restriction serves the purpose of protecting consumers."

Which is why charities were left out in the first place, because of fears that any similar restriction on their calls would be knocked down.

Once interrupted a caller to say "is this a sales call?" and he actually said back, "weeel, if you want to call it that, I suppose you could, but I know I wouldn't," as if I were interested into getting into a lengthy argument with some schmuck stranger over dictionary definitions of "intrusive asshole from any organization asking me for money for any purpose".

[dtb]

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand

In other celebrity death news, writer, critic and 80's video game pitchman George Plimpton dead at age 76...

Ahhh. That brings back memories. He lived in my neighborhood and was (illegally) riding his bicycle on the sidewalk. I politely screamed at him to get off the sidewalk and in my own inimitable and ladylike way, called him an asshole, in a tone and at a decible level that could be described as the opposite of sotto voce.


Good times, good times....



(He got off the sidewalk.)

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by purse junkie
Which is why charities were left out in the first place, because of fears that any similar restriction on their calls would be knocked down.

Once interrupted a caller to say "is this a sales call?" and he actually said back, "weeel, if you want to call it that, I suppose you could, but I know I wouldn't," as if I were interested into getting into a lengthy argument with some schmuck stranger over dictionary definitions of "intrusive asshole from any organization asking me for money for any purpose".

Wasn't there some Supreme Court case that did allow restrictions on commercial speech (solicitation? no not that kind get your mind out of the gutter) but allowed (or required) charities to be exempted from the restrictions? Did that get overruled?

Do the state do-not-call lists have a carveout for charities/political stuff? If so, are they presumably now invalid under the Denver courts ruling (yes I understand there are jurisdictional issues but I could see this going all the way up to Supremes)?

I do not recall paying to be on the TX list. Maybe I never signed up for it. I don't answer my phone much.

I think I once called someone who had that service MR mentioned and holy shit was that annoying. I think it was someone who I'd interviewed -- I got connected to some recording and had to give my name and then had to wait to see if the people would answer the phone. FUCKING ANNOYING. I can see how it would dissuade telemarketers, but it dissuades people who you might actually want to talk to as well.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by dtb
Ahhh. That brings back memories. He lived in my neighborhood and was (illegally) riding his bicycle on the sidewalk. I politely screamed at him to get off the sidewalk and in my own inimitable and ladylike way, called him an asshole, in a tone and at a decible level that could be described as the opposite of sotto voce.


Good times, good times....



(He got off the sidewalk.)

I'm sure this experience took years off his life. Way to go, killer. His best work was far behind him anyway.

[Watchtower]

Originally posted by bilmore
I have no problem with anyone exercising their rights. I have huge problems with lawyers jumping in bed with stupid pols to trumpet "fifty million people can't be wrong". In matters of conlaw, well, yes they can.

You better hope that public opinion doesn't someday focus on ridding the world of tasteful shoes, 'cuz you just ratified your own closet death.

You are my new hero on the board. Can I come by sometime for coffee and a chat? Do you believe in Jehovah?

[Watchtower]

Originally posted by purse junkie
Which is why charities were left out in the first place, because of fears that any similar restriction on their calls would be knocked down.

This is good; charities include the religious. So I can still come over and offer to fold your laundry?