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Old 09-29-2004, 06:11 PM   #2641
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The Puritans would have put you into the stockade. They were more into bondage than buttfucking, NTTAWWT.
Seems to me the stockade kills two birds there, Ty.
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Old 09-29-2004, 06:14 PM   #2642
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Seems to me the stockade kills two birds there, Ty.
Alternatively, Scott's sister could get gang-banged by Laci's male family members . . .

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/29/opinion/29kris.html

Sentenced to Be Raped
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

MEERWALA, Pakistan — I'm still trying to help out President Bush by tracking down Osama bin Laden. After poking through remote parts of Pakistan, asking for a tall Arab with a beard, I can't say I've earned that $25 million reward.

But I did come across someone even more extraordinary than Osama.

Usually we journalists write about rogues, but Mukhtaran Bibi could not be more altruistic or brave, as the men who gang-raped her discovered. I firmly believe that the central moral challenge of this century, equivalent to the struggles against slavery in the 19th century or against totalitarianism in the 20th, will be to address sex inequality in the third world - and it's the stories of women like Ms. Mukhtaran that convince me this is so.

The plight of women in developing countries isn't addressed much in the West, and it certainly isn't a hot topic in the presidential campaign. But it's a life-and-death matter in villages like Meerwala, a 12-hour drive southeast from Islamabad.

In June 2002, the police say, members of a high-status tribe sexually abused one of Ms. Mukhtaran's brothers and then covered up their crime by falsely accusing him of having an affair with a high-status woman. The village's tribal council determined that the suitable punishment for the supposed affair was for high-status men to rape one of the boy's sisters, so the council sentenced Ms. Mukhtaran to be gang-raped.

As members of the high-status tribe danced in joy, four men stripped her naked and took turns raping her. Then they forced her to walk home naked in front of 300 villagers.

In Pakistan's conservative Muslim society, Ms. Mukhtaran's duty was now clear: she was supposed to commit suicide. "Just like other women, I initially thought of killing myself," said Ms. Mukhtaran, now 30. Her older brother, Hezoor Bux, explained: "A girl who has been raped has no honorable place in the village. Nobody respects the girl, or her parents. There's a stigma, and the only way out is suicide."

A girl in the next village was gang-raped a week after Ms. Mukhtaran, and she took the traditional route: she swallowed a bottle of pesticide and dropped dead.

But instead of killing herself, Ms. Mukhtaran testified against her attackers and propounded the shocking idea that the shame lies in raping, rather than in being raped. The rapists are now on death row, and President Pervez Musharraf presented Ms. Mukhtaran with the equivalent of $8,300 and ordered round-the-clock police protection for her.

Ms. Mukhtaran, who had never gone to school herself, used the money to build one school in the village for girls and another for boys - because, she said, education is the best way to achieve social change. The girls' school is named for her, and she is now studying in its fourth-grade class.

"Why should I have spent the money on myself?" she asked, adding, "This way the money is helping all the girls, all the children."

I wish the story ended there. But the Pakistani government has neglected its pledge to pay the schools' operating expenses. "The government made lots of promises, but it hasn't done much," Ms. Mukhtaran said bluntly.

She has had to buy food for the police who protect her, as well as pay some school expenses. So, she said, "I've run out of money." Unless the schools can raise new funds, they may have to close.

Meanwhile, villagers say that relatives of the rapists are waiting for the police to leave and then will put Ms. Mukhtaran in her place by slaughtering her and her entire family. I walked to the area where the high-status tribesmen live. They denied planning to kill Ms. Mukhtaran, but were unapologetic about her rape.

"Mukhtaran is totally disgraced," Taj Bibi, a matriarch in a high-status family, said with satisfaction. "She has no respect in society."

So although I did not find Osama, I did encounter a much more ubiquitous form of evil and terror: a culture, stretching across about half the globe, that chews up women and spits them out.

We in the West could help chip away at that oppression, with health and literacy programs and by simply speaking out against it, just as we once stood up against slavery and totalitarianism. But instead of standing beside fighters like Ms. Mukhtaran, we're still sitting on the fence.
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Old 09-29-2004, 06:17 PM   #2643
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So, for those of you with kids, and for those of you who were once kids (I know this is most of you, but I have my doubts about Slave...), do your kids' friends call you by your first name, or [Mr.][Mrs.][Ms.] + surname (and for those of you sans offspring -- do you prefer/insist that children address you by your first name, or the title-surname combo)?

I ask because most of my kids' friends call me either by my first name, or "Augustin**'s mom", but lately, I have found that people introduce me to their children as Mrs.dtb -- I'm afraid it's because of my wrinkles and saggy boobs. Am I being paranoid?
This has probably been answered already but anyone who wants to say "stp" can suck me.

I've run into the same issue. Friends of mine who introduce me to their kids as Mr. Finch say they are leaving it up to "the adult" to say "call me Sidd." That's just the way they are.

It doesn't have anything to do with your boobs. Everything else does, but not that.
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Old 09-29-2004, 06:18 PM   #2644
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Seems to me the stockade kills two birds there, Ty.
I defer to your obvious expertise. Please explain.
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Old 09-29-2004, 06:19 PM   #2645
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The Puritans would have put you into the stockade. They were more into bondage than buttfucking, NTTAWWT.
Sounds like "unfaithful Puritan husband/Hester Prynne with a strap-on" will join "slothful lawn boy who doesn't weed the rose bush/angry sorority girl with a paddle" as new entries on the Approved FB Roleplaying List.
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Old 09-29-2004, 06:20 PM   #2646
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I defer to your obvious expertise. Please explain.
Now that's just mean. What did I ever do to you?
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Old 09-29-2004, 06:21 PM   #2647
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Sounds like "unfaithful Puritan husband/Hester Prynne with a strap-on" will join "slothful lawn boy who doesn't weed the rose bush/angry sorority girl with a paddle" as new entries on the Approved FB Roleplaying List.
Shut up, put your hat on, and bend over.
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Old 09-29-2004, 06:22 PM   #2648
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Apparently it's not a turn-on, coming from you. This in no way diminishes my desire to make out with you.
I'm gonna nail yo ass!

(Anything? A tingle?)
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Old 09-29-2004, 06:22 PM   #2649
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Assrape as punishment for adultery. Welcome to Puritan New England circa 1670.
I was thinking it sounded more Brando-esque, circa early 70s.
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Old 09-29-2004, 06:23 PM   #2650
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Sounds like "unfaithful Puritan husband/Hester Prynne with a strap-on" will join "slothful lawn boy who doesn't weed the rose bush/angry sorority girl with a paddle" as new entries on the Approved FB Roleplaying List.
You know, I'm finding it difficult to imagine an unfunny sentence that features the word "strap-on".

Is that wrong?
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I'm gonna nail yo ass!

(Anything? A tingle?)
A gush.

Oh, sorry, you weren't addressing me.
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Old 09-29-2004, 06:26 PM   #2652
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You know, I'm finding it difficult to imagine an unfunny sentence that features the word "strap-on".

Is that wrong?
Heh. I take it a step further. I think if I were presented with a strap-on and/or a request to use same, I'd probably burst out laughing or have to flee the room in order to burst out laughing. I've heard quite a few stories (ok, two) of other women pretty much having the same reaction.
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I think if I were presented with a strap-on and/or a request to use same, I'd probably burst out laughing or have to flee the room in order to burst out laughing.
Have you broken the news to Oscar?
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Old 09-29-2004, 06:29 PM   #2654
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You know, I'm finding it difficult to imagine an unfunny sentence that features the word "strap-on".

Is that wrong?
Not at all, although I have to admit that I planned on "slothful lawn boy" being the amusing part. Toe-may-toe, etc.
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Old 09-29-2004, 06:30 PM   #2655
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Oh, yes, please. I really, really would.
I hope you get som ultra pure medical grade coke, and have a heart attack and die before you are able to procreate. Either that or "see the light" and become a nun.
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