A Black Hole of Happiness - Page 182

ThurgreedMarshall · 07-13-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
$30 is probably the baseline of any negotiation. Money is not the factor here, though. It's all about prestige. You don't think Steinbrenner is willing to pay a premium to have the best player in baseball on his roster?

Yes, but he's becoming less and less pushy in his old age. I think I'd rather sign Zambrano and trade for Cabrera and call it a day. Cashman might too.

TM

Shape Shifter · 07-13-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Yes, but he's becoming less and less pushy in his old age. I think I'd rather sign Zambrano and trade for Cabrera and call it a day. Cashman might too.

TM

He will also pay a premium to see the eventual home run champ be a Yankee.

NotFromHere · 07-13-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
translation: I'm giving up talking about Detroit and having no one respond - we'll show them in October.

Then they'll have to do a better job of catching the ball and actually tagging people to make an out.

And happy Friday the 13th. Here's Courtney Love looking more like Phyllis Diller every day, coming out of a restaurant called the spotted pig.

ThurgreedMarshall · 07-13-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Cletus Miller
I'm not sure about what you're saying--ARod hit his 31st last night and still isn't on pace to hit 62 (31 thru 86 games projects to 58+, not even 60). Granted, if he hits 62, he's the legitimate record holder. And he'll probably hit 800 for his career.

Sorry. Let me rephrase. He's on pace to hit 58 home runs without steroids, which is almost double Cabrera's current pace.

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Originally posted by Cletus Miller
Nobody saw if coming for Griffey either. He's been a mess since he turned 32.

I thought we were taking injuries out of the equation. If he misses huge amounts of time because of big injuries (which also affect his skill level once he has fully "recovered"), then there's no question his numbers will fall significantly.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall · 07-13-2007, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
He will also pay a premium to see the eventual home run champ be a Yankee.

If you think he's going to give ARod whatever he wants, you're nuts. Because whatever ARod wants is whatever Boras wants and Boras is out of his fucking mind.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall · 07-13-2007, 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by NotFromHere
the spotted pig.

This place is great.

TM

John Phoenix · 07-13-2007, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
Is there a worse current song, especially one played on self-styled "alternative" radio stations, than "Hey there Delilah" by Plain White Tees? Or, for that matter, a worse band name? I shouldn't be feeling burning hatred on a Friday, but that song leaves me little choice.

Oh, and if you SoCals felt a little burn on Wednesday, it's 'cause you were getting sooooooo flipped off.

Ok, I'll be the contrarian on that one. I kind of like it. But I will say that their song (titled something like) Hate is a strong word but I really don't like you is awful, awful, awful.

Replaced_Texan · 07-13-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by NotFromHere
Then they'll have to do a better job of catching the ball and actually tagging people to make an out.

And happy Friday the 13th. Here's Courtney Love looking more like Phyllis Diller every day, coming out of a restaurant called the spotted pig.

I heard story about her and her collaboration with producer Linda Perry a few weeks ago on NPR. They're working on an album they wrote together when she was in rehab last year. It sounded like it might turn out pretty damned good.

There's a funny quote in the story about Frances Bean. It was in reference to Love's assertion that the music industry isn't going to take a 41 year old woman seriously unless she's seriously thin. "The culture you ascribe to is so disgusting, mother."

ltl/fb · 07-13-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I seem to recall your saying that you no longer work as a lawyer. What is it you do for money?

Apparently "hobbies." And I have, and used last night, the snot rocket and feel better. And the nice doctor gave me lots of stuff and thinks it's allergies.

Cletus Miller · 07-13-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Sorry. Let me rephrase. He's on pace to hit 58 home runs without steroids, which is almost double Cabrera's current pace.

Yeah, this year matters some too, but the premise is what to do with ARod's threat to opt out/if he opts out. He's a NYY until October so relative production this year shouldn't be a big part of the equation.

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I thought we were taking injuries out of the equation. If he misses huge amounts of time because of big injuries (which also affect his skill level once he has fully "recovered"), then there's no question his numbers will fall significantly.

TM

Right, bad example. Still, other than Bonds, even the greatest hitters' stats drop off after 32 and significantly after 34. A season or two of comparable production, but not year after year of career average or better numbers, injuries or not. Maybe ARod is really that much of a freak and will be the exception, but it's not a solid bet.

That ARod is the likely career home run leader--and to have him retire in your team's uniform--is going to be the heart of Boras pitch on contract length and why I think he's looking for ten years (or a 7 year extension from the Yanquis).

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy · 07-13-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by NotFromHere
Then they'll have to do a better job of catching the ball and actually tagging people to make an out.

Look, Hank!

One post on the Tigers from me and someone responds. My suggestion: use a sock to talk about them. NFH will never guess it's you.

handsome boy model · 07-13-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by John Phoenix
Ok, I'll be the contrarian on that one. I kind of like it. But I will say that their song (titled something like) Hate is a strong word but I really don't like you is awful, awful, awful.

My clubbing indicates that there is a certain contingent of early 20s chick that likes it, so I've found I'm down with it if it gets me over the hump with that target demo. If you get my drift.

yt,

hbm

notcasesensitive · 07-13-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
Is there a worse current song, especially one played on self-styled "alternative" radio stations, than "Hey there Delilah" by Plain White Tees? Or, for that matter, a worse band name? I shouldn't be feeling burning hatred on a Friday, but that song leaves me little choice.

Oh, and if you SoCals felt a little burn on Wednesday, it's 'cause you were getting sooooooo flipped off.

The Peter Bjorn and ______ (John?) (Paul?) song with the whistling (Young Folks?). Though I know several people who like it, and I pretend to like it when the bartenders play it at my favorite bar just to mess with me. Because I can't let them win.

patentparanyc · 07-13-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
Is there a worse current song, especially one played on self-styled "alternative" radio stations, than "Hey there Delilah" by Plain White Tees? Or, for that matter, a worse band name? I shouldn't be feeling burning hatred on a Friday, but that song leaves me little choice.

Oh, and if you SoCals felt a little burn on Wednesday, it's 'cause you were getting sooooooo flipped off.

Like most things, I'm clueless about music...and you love music but this is the first song you've mentioned that I remember hearing that I've heard of and agree totally that it is so annoying. what is with that cheesey line "Does Times Square burn as bright as youuuuuu" or some stupid shit?

just very annoying.

That Averil Lavigne song she stole from that group Hey I wanna be your girlfriend or whatever is pretty annoying as well.

ThurgreedMarshall · 07-13-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by Cletus Miller
Yeah, this year matters some too, but the premise is what to do with ARod's threat to opt out/if he opts out. He's a NYY until October so relative production this year shouldn't be a big part of the equation.

Ridiculous. It's a part of the equation because you need to use past and present performance to predict future performance. If you're going to use Cabrera's numbers to project stats, I'm going to use ARod's.

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Originally posted by Cletus Miller
Right, bad example. Still, other than Bonds, even the greatest hitters' stats drop off after 32 and significantly after 34. A season or two of comparable production, but not year after year of career average or better numbers, injuries or not. Maybe ARod is really that much of a freak and will be the exception, but it's not a solid bet.

It's as solid a bet as removing Cabrera from the field of players who started off their careers with great numbers only to flame out after 4 years. And since you don't have very many years to work with, that's exactly what you're doing.

And I think it's a pretty solid bet to say that I can treat ARod as an exception to your 32-and-done thesis since (i) he's 30 and on pace to hit 60...er, correction, 58 home runs, and (ii) he will most likely retire as the greatest player in the history of the modern era of baseball (stats wise).

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Originally posted by Cletus Miller
That ARod is the likely career home run leader--and to have him retire in your team's uniform--is going to be the heart of Boras pitch on contract length and why I think he's looking for ten years (or a 7 year extension from the Yanquis).

I agree. And we'll probably give it to him. But there is no way anyone in baseball is worth $35 million or more. That's just silly.

TM