Politics: Onward from New Hampshire

[Not Me]

Originally posted by sgtclub
It wasn't suggestions, it was the letter written from an Al Qaeda operative to the mothership, which I posted weeks ago.

Exactly.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
We were bombing aa batteries that targeted our jets. This would have been blowing up stuff in the no-fly zones, that were created to keep Saddam from blowing up stuff there. See?

The Desert Fox airstrikes in late 1998 have been credited with eliminating WMD capacity. Of course, you conservatives complained an awful lot whenever Clinton bombed something.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
I thought it was interesting that Cheney was distancing himself from the policy, if subtly.

I don't find it all that interesting that Cheney, a guy with a gay daughter would distance himself from that policy. And I don't think it was all that subtle, either.

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
I have listened to what Laura Bush said, and what I heard led me to conclude quite the opposite -- that she personally has less of a problem with it, but was expressing sympathy for the people who do:

• Laura Bush says gay marriages are "a very, very shocking issue" for some people, a subject that should be debated by Americans rather than settled by a Massachusetts court or the mayor of San Francisco.
  
  Asked how she feels about the issue personally, Mrs. Bush replies: "Let's just leave it at that."

Those are the same comments I heard, yet I took them to mean just the opposite - that she is against it and doesn't think courts should force it on the people. I didn't read her comments, I saw her say them in a televised interview. He body language and facial expressions spoke volumes to me.

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
You said that Cheney is just another advisor, and I was telling you that you were wrong. This by itself doesn't make anyone a better or worse person, except insofar as you are uninformed, but it is the sort of thing that is of interest to people who are interested in how the country works. YMMV.

I don't remember saying he was just another advisor. He is one of the important advisors, no doubt. But it is not like GWB is Cheney's sock puppet, either. That was my point. GWB has a variety of different advisors some of whom are more important than others in their influence on particular policies. That makes GWB exactly like every other US president.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
The Desert Fox airstrikes in late 1998 have been credited with eliminating WMD capacity.

You're just trying to fuck with us now. This, i know, isn't from sometihng you read from Club. Wait, by credited, do you mean without support on one of the unlimited blogs you read.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by The Larry Davis Experience
Yeah, there's no way that Bush can just remain silent on this one. It's out there.

I heard interesting commentary yesterday on this, which basically said that Bush is getting a raw deal on this because, although he agrees with a constitutional amendment, he did not sign up to the one that has been proposed, and apparently there is another one floating around which would basically say that each state gets to decide what counts as marriage in that state and what marriage from other states to recognize.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sgtclub
apparently there is another one floating around which would basically say that each state gets to decide what counts as marriage in that state and what marriage from other states to recognize.

that version is going to make it tough for Birmingham, Alabama to get the bid on the 2008 Gay olympics.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I heard interesting commentary yesterday on this, which basically said that Bush is getting a raw deal on this because, although he agrees with a constitutional amendment, he did not sign up to the one that has been proposed,.

Yeah, and the cell co. gave me a raw deal when I failed to read the contract. I know he's not a lawyer, but if he's going to support something, and there's a similar something that he doesn't support, then he needs to be more specific. Nothing in his brief comments he made suggested he was limiting his support to a particular wording. Rather, it seemed general, if tepid.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
You're just trying to fuck with us now. This, i know, isn't from sometihng you read from Club. Wait, by credited, do you mean without support on one of the unlimited blogs you read.

To be sure, his capabilities were pretty degraded by then. But see this site, or this one, or this one. However much damage was done, the point is that your we-weren't-bombing-in-the-no-fly-zones line is bunk.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
The Desert Fox airstrikes in late 1998 have been credited with eliminating WMD capacity. Of course, you conservatives complained an awful lot whenever Clinton bombed something.

Then why the need for the Clinton proposed/backed 1998 Regime Change declaration, which is still US policy to this day?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I heard interesting commentary yesterday on this, which basically said that Bush is getting a raw deal on this because, although he agrees with a constitutional amendment, he did not sign up to the one that has been proposed, and apparently there is another one floating around which would basically say that each state gets to decide what counts as marriage in that state and what marriage from other states to recognize.

See the article I linked to a few days ago from the Rocky Mountain News, reporting that Bush told the Denver-area congresswoman behind the FMA back in November that he would give it his endorsement, and then said the same thing to the meeting of GOP senators and congressmen in Philapelphia in January. Otherwise, that story holds up.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Then why the need for the Clinton proposed/backed 1998 Regime Change declaration, which is still US policy to this day?

Is there anyone in the world who thought regime change for Iraq was a bad idea? The hard question was about means, not ends.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
To be sure, his capabilities were pretty degraded by then. But see this site, or this one, or this one. However much damage was done, the point is that your we-weren't-bombing-in-the-no-fly-zones line is bunk.

your cites were to military and Clinton crowing about sucesses. When I ask my son about one of his b-ball games he claims a million blocked shots and about 100 points. I always ask, cause he proud and all, but still i go look at the score book.
plus these weren't in the no-fly zone were they?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Is there anyone in the world who thought regime change for Iraq was a bad idea

You can start your list with Chirac, Galloway, Nader, . . .

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
your cites were to military and Clinton crowing about sucesses. When I ask my son about one of his b-ball games he claims a million blocked shots and about 100 points. I always ask, cause he proud and all, but still i go look at the score book.

are you a congressman? because otherwise he's not lying to congress.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
your cites were to military and Clinton crowing about sucesses. When I ask my son about one of his b-ball games he claims a million blocked shots and about 100 points. I always ask, cause he proud and all, but still i go look at the score book.
plus these weren't in the no-fly zone were they?

Sorry if my 20-second Google search didn't live up to your expectations. I've seen other reporting in the wake of Kay's failure to find any WMD suggesting that it now appears that Desert Fox was more successful than we feared for a few years.

Again, the point is that your half-assed pretext for why we shouldn't have taken our Zarqawi is revealed to be a half-assed pretext. I would have thought you tough-on-terrorists guys would have screamed bloody murder at the thought that the Bushies passed up a chance to take out a terrorist, but I guess that was just a pose.