Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes.

[chad87655]

Originally posted by Spanky
Again, you are living in a dream world and not paying attention to the facts. The Blue states are much more solid Dem than the populous Red states are solid red. If Roe is overturned and abortion becomes the defining issue it is all over for the Republicans nationwide. Florida is full of moderate Republicans that have migrated from the north. The southwest is all on the edge - Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado would all become solid blue. The only large state that would stay with the Republicans is Texas. With Florida, Illinois, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and California all solid blue the Republicans would not be able to win the presidency. The South and the non-pacific west do not constitute a majority.

Keep dreaming those RiNO dreams. There are millions more faithful that Rove & Co. didn't need to tap last time just waiting to celebrate the rejuvenation of a respect for life and liberty in these United States.

And plenty of moderate Republicans and moral but misguided "blue dog democrats" who will come running home to the arms of W's Republican party when the militant pro-death wing of the donkey party starts howling.

Here are the poster girls who will do the lord's work for the party:

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Spanky
Again, you are living in a dream world and not paying attention to the facts. The Blue states are much more solid Dem than the populous Red states are solid red. If Roe is overturned and abortion becomes the defining issue it is all over for the Republicans nationwide. Florida is full of moderate Republicans that have migrated from the north. The southwest is all on the edge - Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado would all become solid blue. The only large state that would stay with the Republicans is Texas. With Florida, Illinois, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and California all solid blue the Republicans would not be able to win the presidency. The South and the non-pacific west do not constitute a majority.

Where I'm at, I ain't wondering what the hell happened. No offense or nothing, of course.

Its the liberals who are telling us that 35 states would be in danger of banning abortion the day Roe is overturned. So the majority there is happy.

And did you honestly just say Pennsylvania goes solid blue over this issue? Who in the world do you think Casey was anyway? The rest is all speculation.

Its not me who has the facts (really, best guesses for a hypothetical) wrong. Don't mean to sound hostile, but I understand why you think this threatens the CA Republican party.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by chad87655


Here are the poster girls who will do the lord's work for the party:

Enough!

[Gattigap]

I've reconsidered my thinking about Josh Bolton. Even after Republican officials testify to Congress that he is The Angriest Man in North America, after more anectodal stories suggesting that Bolton lives to piss off allies, we're treated to another amusing anecdote, coming from a woman who encountered Bolton before his illustrious public service career.

Her letter to the committee, via Tapped:

• After months of incompetence, poor contract performance, inadequate in-country funding, and a general lack of interest or support in our work from the prime contractor, I was forced to make US AID officials aware of the prime contractor's poor performance.
  
  I flew from Kyrgyzstan to Moscow to meet with other Black Manafort employees who were leading or subcontracted to other US AID projects. While there, I met with US AID officials and expressed my concerns about the project -- chief among them, the prime contractor's inability to keep enough cash in country to allow us to pay bills, which directly resulted in armed threats by Kyrgyz contractors to me and my staff.
  
  Within hours of sending a letter to US AID officials outlining my concerns, I met John Bolton, whom the prime contractor hired as legal counsel to represent them to US AID. And, so, within hours of dispatching that letter, my hell began.
  
  Mr. Bolton proceeded to chase me through the halls of a Russian hotel -- throwing things at me, shoving threatening letters under my door and, generally, behaving like a madman. For nearly two weeks, while I awaited fresh direction from my company and from US AID, John Bolton hounded me in such an appalling way that I eventually retreated to my hotel room and stayed there. Mr. Bolton, of course, then routinely visited me there to pound on the door and shout threats.
  
  When US AID asked me to return to Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan in advance of assuming leadership of a project in Kazakstan, I returned to my project to find that John Bolton had proceeded me by two days. Why? To meet with every other AID team leader as well as US foreign-service officials in Bishkek, claiming that I was under investigation for misuse of funds and likely was facing jail time. As US AID can confirm, nothing was further from the truth.
  
  He indicated to key employees of or contractors to State that, based on his discussions with investigatory officials, I was headed for federal prison and, if they refused to cooperate with either him or the prime contractor's replacement team leader, they, too, would find themselves the subjects of federal investigation. As a further aside, he made unconscionable comments about my weight, my wardrobe and, with a couple of team leaders, my sexuality, hinting that I was a lesbian (for the record, I'm not).

Democrats should just get out of the way of this nomination. Conservatives argue that Bolton is a great pick for the Bush Administration because Bush had the courage to pass over some milequetoast dunderhead, and pick someone who shared his views about the UN.

Bravo, I say! Let us take Bush at his word and put this man in a position of true power. Put Bolton outside the building, give him some matches and a bottle of bourbon, and tell him that every member of his staff thinks that he's wrong about his "reform" proposals, that the Italians still want to know where the WMDs are, and that the Ambassador to China just called him a pussy. Then we'll see some diplomacy!

Gattigap

[chad87655]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Enough!

Am I scaring you friend? Good. We need to be scared. Scared straight. Scared wide awake. The conservatives and morally minded people of this nation underestimated Bill Clinton in 1992 and we paid the price of 8 years of moral degeneration and ultimately having our underbelly exposed to binladen's islamofacist minions. 3000 of America's finest paid the price because we weren't vigilant.

With 3 years to go, we don't have time to sit on our hands, play nice and pretend these foul harpies aren't coming to take away the American way of life. Try and ask Terri Schindler what they will do to you if you aren't careful. And dont scoff at Hillary's chances now, like Bush Senior and the idiots who surrounded him, because she will end up getting the last laugh in a little black Mao suit as the hammer and sickle flag gets raised over 1600 Penn Ave.

2008 is anybody's game and the dems are brewing a strong batch of koolaid to drunken up the sheeple on the coasts.

Stay strong and stay vigilant. And pray.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
How many incorrect assumptions did the T-man just make about me?

(1) Well, he assumed that you were a lawyer.

S_A_M

[whoopassman]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
(1) Well, he assumed that you were a lawyer.

S_A_M

When I posted on Infirmation I came to the educated assumption that about half the posters were lawyers, about 20% were law students and the rest were assorted internet rabble. I remember your work over there SAM, do you think those numbers correlate to this board?

Also, what moniker does Plated use here? Or is that outable?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by whoopassman
Also, what moniker does Plated use here? Or is that outable?

Hairy Large Mencken, although he hasn't been around for a while.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Where I'm at, I ain't wondering what the hell happened. No offense or nothing, of course.

Its the liberals who are telling us that 35 states would be in danger of banning abortion the day Roe is overturned. So the majority there is happy.

They exaggerate to make money. And the states that are going to overturn are ones with very few electoral points.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
They exaggerate to make money. And the states that are going to overturn are ones with very few electoral points.

They're probably afraid it will happen. I would wager that the short-term effects would not be to lefties' liking, but that the long-term effects would be.

[Spanky]

The Reagan Democrat has disappeared. Almost all pro-lifers are now in the Republican party. In addition, Nationwide about forty percent of Republicans are pro-choice. In California sixty five percernt of Republicans are pro-choice. There are very few pro-life Democrats. Pro-life people are much more likely to vote than pro-choice people. So if Roe is overturned, and you give the pro-choice people a reason to vote, we are doomed. There is a reason why Emily's list is the nations biggest fundraising organization.

There may be 45 million pro-life people but this country has almost 300 million people. The numbers are simply not on your side.

I raise a lot of money for the party, and the biggest problem I come across is that people won't donate to the GOP as long as it is the pro-life party. I convince a lot of pro-choice Republicans to donate to the party, but if Roe is overturned I ain't getting a dime out of any of them.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
They're probably afraid it will happen. I would wager that the short-term effects would not be to lefties' liking, but that the long-term effects would be.

I think it would be to the liking of most. California Rs will learn not to present threatening pro-Life candidates. They'll become a bit more competitive when they promise not to do legislative pro-Life stuff.

The issue goes away in 35 states with, NOTE TO SPANKY!!!! 70 senate seats, where the majority gets what they want.

If there is a clear majority either way in a state, than the minority will have to learn to accept defeat on the issue, promise to let it go, and focus on other areas in elections. If I'm the minority, than I move to Indiana.

If there is no clear majority, than at least the issue gets localized to the states.

And nationally? Well, hopefully, we can stick to arguing about national issues! Like defense and economics.

And that's why there is no Democratic party anymore, Virginia.

Oops, sorry, I was just getting a little ahead of myself there.

Hello

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Spanky
The Reagan Democrat has disappeared. Almost all pro-lifers are now in the Republican party. In addition, Nationwide about forty percent of Republicans are pro-choice. In California sixty five percernt of Republicans are pro-choice. There are very few pro-life Democrats. Pro-life people are much more likely to vote than pro-choice people. So if Roe is overturned, and you give the pro-choice people a reason to vote, we are doomed.

Which is exactly why, after Kerry was defeated, Kerry, the Clintons, Pelosi and a whole bunch of other people started making noise about how they needed to bring the pro-Life people into the tent if the Ds want to win in 08.

I'm sorry, but your argument basically sounds like, "If you want California in the R tent, you better give up on this one". Well, guess what? Californian ain't in the tent, and it apparently doesn't have to be either.

And, as I sorta noted, it ain't our tent that people are fleeing. Its MA, CA and Cook County, IL (would love to see the totals for IL, of course).

And you guys are arguing that people are going to running to the Ds as saviors? Seriously, if this ain't it, please clarify. But if this is your central argument, I'm going to have to just note my disagreement, let y'all have the last word, and let it go before the board breaks.

Hello

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
If there is a clear majority either way in a state, than the minority will have to learn to accept defeat on the issue, promise to let it go, and focus on other areas in elections. If I'm the minority, than I move to Indiana.

Just like conservatives did after Roe, right? Yeah, I don't think so.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
And, as I sorta noted, it ain't our tent that people are fleeing. Its MA, CA and Cook County, IL (would love to see the totals for IL, of course).

The California Democratic Party has identified states where expatriate Californians can tip the balance to turn the state blue. With real estate prices being what they are, and porn available on the internet, it's much easier to persuade California Democrats to move to, e.g., Arizona.