Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Just like conservatives did after Roe, right? Yeah, I don't think so.

You really don't get this either. Roe was not an election!

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The California Democratic Party has identified states where expatriate Californians can tip the balance to turn the state blue. With real estate prices being what they are, and porn available on the internet, it's much easier to persuade California Democrats to move to, e.g., Arizona.

Funny, because I know a lot of workers (read Republicans) from Chicago who have been moving out there too. Funny that.

I think it safe to write off Illinois, NY and California. Y'all can keep thinking your are the center of the universe, but the rest of the country functions just fine with yous people in the minority.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
You really don't get this either. Roe was not an election!

If you're reading my posts -- unclear to me -- then you understand that I'm down with you on the "Roe not an election" thing. That's why I think it would be better for my side if it were reversed.

But if you think that abortion is murder, than losing an election about it should change your mind any more than losing a judicial proceeding.

And answer me this: A lot of conservatives believe that statutes shouldn't mess with property rights, which are determined by the common law -- i.e., unelected judges. When it comes to property rights, they're all bent out of shape that elected legislatures are deciding the question instead of unelected judges, and then when it comes to abortion, they're all bent out of shape that unelected judges are deciding the question instead of elected legislatures. Is there some facially non-absurd principle behind this, or is it just a question of conservatives liking to feel victimized by the political process when they lose?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by whoopassman
When I posted on Infirmation I came to the educated assumption that about half the posters were lawyers, about 20% were law students and the rest were assorted internet rabble. I remember your work over there SAM, do you think those numbers correlate to this board?

Also, what moniker does Plated use here? Or is that outable?

I am Plated!

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I am Plated!

No! I am Plated!

[PuriTY]

Originally posted by blue_Triangle
No! I am Plated!

I am Plated!

[PuriTY]

Originally posted by Spanky


There may be 45 million pro-life people but this country has almost 300 million people.

How many votes did Bush get in November?

And it don't matter how many pro-anything Reps are in California. When calif. is in play there is no contest for the Presidency.

[PuriTY]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
That's why I think it would be better for my side if it were reversed.

Do you believe in anything other than you'd like your side to win? Better for your side- sheeesh......

A lot of conservatives believe that statutes shouldn't mess with property rights, which are determined by the common law -- i.e., unelected judges. When it comes to property rights, they're all bent out of shape that elected legislatures are deciding the question instead of unelected judges, and then when it comes to abortion, they're all bent out of shape that unelected judges are deciding the question instead of elected legislatures. Is there some facially non-absurd principle behind this, or is it just a question of conservatives liking to feel victimized by the political process when they lose?

We haven't lost for awhile so its hard for us to say. What has your reaction been to losing lately?

[Hank Chinaski]

Instead of trying to convince people you guys have some ability to govern- now you're going to fight the draft? that's at least one you'll win since there won't be a draft (you won!) unless we fuck up and elect one of you again.

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[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If you're reading my posts -- unclear to me -- then you understand that I'm down with you on the "Roe not an election" thing. That's why I think it would be better for my side if it were reversed.

But if you think that abortion is murder, than losing an election about it should change your mind any more than losing a judicial proceeding.

And answer me this: A lot of conservatives believe that statutes shouldn't mess with property rights, which are determined by the common law -- i.e., unelected judges. When it comes to property rights, they're all bent out of shape that elected legislatures are deciding the question instead of unelected judges, and then when it comes to abortion, they're all bent out of shape that unelected judges are deciding the question instead of elected legislatures. Is there some facially non-absurd principle behind this, or is it just a question of conservatives liking to feel victimized by the political process when they lose?

I'm reading a bunch of pithy quotes about how overturning Roe would be good for the Democrats. And I'm noting how the pro-choicers have had and will have plenty of opportunities to legislate whatever they want on the issue. Instead, they posture about how they are the REAL majority... while they cry about the dangers of having this up to the majority and out of the hands of the courts.

For the "abortion is definitely murder" crowd, they'll have to adjust to their status as the majority in some places and the minority in others. On a non-partisan level, I think that's something you are okay with. If they continually torpedo the local Rs (in places like CA), than the local Rs will have to figure out ways to deal with it... like paying the scuttlers to move (back?) to Indiana or something.

And as for your thing about property rights, I don't know what you are talking about, but those aren't my people.

[Replaced_Texan]

Say a prayer for me this weekend. The NRA is in town.

I'm pretty ambivilant on gun control, but the guys that are here are the crazy ones.

See, e.g.



There's a bi-partisan anti-Keynote Speaker Tom DeLay rally on Saturday evening in front of the convention center. This was the first day of the convention.

I'm trying to figure out what the minimum safe distance is. San Antonio?

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Say a prayer for me this weekend. The NRA is in town.

Those aren't my people either, though I'm thinking of joining. There's a debate in the land of the NRA right now about whether VA Tech students can be banned from carrying guns to class if they have a conceal-carry permit.

I'm not entirely 100% for or against, but its nice that a state with a Dem governor can still have this kind of debate.

On another note, I saw the Alamo last night. Sam Houston was an ass!

[the ghost of Plated's Socks]

Originally posted by blue_Triangle
No! I am Plated!

Hi dad!

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by whoopassman
When I posted on Infirmation I came to the educated assumption that about half the posters were lawyers, about 20% were law students and the rest were assorted internet rabble. I remember your work over there SAM, do you think those numbers correlate to this board?

Also, what moniker does Plated use here? Or is that outable?

I really only post on the PB, and I think almost everyone here is a lawyer (save perhaps Adder) -- but your categories overlap.

S_A_M

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by PuriTY
I am Plated!

I am Emmitt Smith.