A disgusting vat of filth that no self-respecting intelligent person would wade into.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Cletus Miller
Wait. Eisenhower had a vote on the Supreme Court? Or are you implying that Eisenhower could have done something to stop the Court from ruling the way they did?

How many of the Supremes were Republican appointees in '54? How did they vote?

It was unanimous, IIRC. And Chief Justice Earl Warren was not only an Eisenhower appointee, he was the very Republican former Governor of California who almost was the GOP's presidential nominee in 1948 and (maybe -- memory is a bit fuzzy here) 1952. People in the know at the time thought that had he been the nominee in 1948 (instead of the the cold fish Tom Dewey), Harry's efforts to "give em hell!" would have been Not Successful.

AoN, Martin Luther King Sr. was a Republican until JFK called his daughter in law (yeah yeah yeah -- insert Kennedy sex joke here) to express concern when MLK Jr. was in jail in 1960, and Nixon didn't.

etf some grammar stuff and to pre-empt the joke.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
According to Spanky, Clinton vetoed all the Congressional efforts to cut spending.

Are you saying that Congress passed tax increases to balance the budget?


Or did you just forget that whole "checks and balances" thing? Not surprising, given your President's attitude towards same.

I never said Clinton vetoed "all efforts". You need to review the Constitution. Congress passes the budget and the President just "influences" it with his veto. But for the Veto the president really would have no power at all over the budget. Clinton did send a “proposed budgets” to the Congress but they were declared “dead on arrival” and completely ignored. Congress passed the spending bills, and the only thing Clinton did to influence the budget was use the threat of veto to get them to increase spending. That was his only influence on the budget after 94. His sole role during the period was push for less fiscal discipline. That is just a plain and simple fact that you seem to want to pretend isn't true.

After the Republican took over in 95 the only action Clinton took on the budgets was to insure that the budget balanced later than sooner.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Sigh. You're right. It's a pity that Clinton rejected all of their initiatives -- if he hadn't, he might have balanced the Federal budget.

It would have balanced sooner, and the surpluses would have been larger but for Clinton's actions. After 95 the only action Clinton took was to fight against reaching a balanced budget. If he had had his way, we would have had balanced the budget much later. Like with welfare reform, he fought it the whole time and then took credit for it. How can you possibly dispute that fact?

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Spanky
If you call the truth blame it is time to start some soul searching. No matter how you slice it, Gingrich and the Republican Congress showed incredible fiscal discplline, and they sent Clinton budgets that drastically reduced spending.

You may disagree with the cuts, but the bottom line is the Republicans were pushing for more fiscal discipline and Clinton fought against it. He wielded his veto to increase spending.

You may argue about the merits of the cuts, but there is no question that in this dispute the Repubicans were on the side of fiscal discipline.

You forget that the budgets submitted by the GOP also had tax cuts, so one could argue (as Clinton did successfully), that he was vetoing a budget that would take money from Medicare -- which Newt stated he wanted to "wither on the vine" -- and give it to the rich. There's a wonderful breakdown of the budget battles here: http://www.cnn.com/US/9512/budget/bu...tle/index.html

And let's not forget this:

• The speaker said Wednesday that tough terms in the government spending bill President Clinton vetoed Monday night were included partly as the result of pique he and Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole felt on Air Force One during flights with the president to and from Israel for the funeral.
  
  Gingrich and Dole had complained earlier about their lack of discussions with Clinton during the 25 hours of flying time. But Gingrich went a step further Wednesday by saying the incident contributed to the government shutdown.
  
  "This is petty," said Gingrich, indicating his displeasure at the way the two were treated. "You've been on the plane for 25 hours and nobody has talked to you and they ask you to get off the plane by the back ramp. ... You just wonder, where is their sense of manners? Where is their sense of courtesy?"
  
  That "snub," the Georgia Republican said, was "part of why you ended up with us sending down a tougher continuing resolution" -- the stopgap spending bill that Clinton vetoed Monday. That veto led to the partial shutdown of the federal government, now in its third day.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9511/debt_limi...dget_gingrich/

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Spanky
His sole role during the period was push for less fiscal discipline. That is just a plain and simple fact that you seem to want to pretend isn't true.

Bullshit. Part of the Gingrich plan (as you can see by clicking on news stories from the time) included large tax cuts. Try again.

[SlaveNoMore]

Cletus Miller
I don't think anyone here has the oppornity to vote for or against Byrd. Clearly, he's okay with West Virginians. Beyond that, I don't know what the rest of the party can do. Maybe if the
Republicans ran a decent candidate against him?

And, as Senate president pro tempore, he's now only 3 bullets away from the Presidency.

Perhaps the South shall rise again?

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Perhaps the South shall rise again?

Nah. George screwed it all up with his "Macaca" comment. Otherwise, he had a good shot at getting that "historical" flag raised above the White House.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
And, as Senate president pro tempore, he's now only 3 bullets away from the Presidency.

Perhaps the South shall rise again?

Ummm, are you questioning W's credentials as a Texan? Because, you know, he has a ranch. A big ranch, with steer with horns. Even if Laura doesn't have big hair.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Ummm, are you questioning W's credentials as a Texan? Because, you know, he has a ranch. A big ranch, with steer with horns. Even if Laura doesn't have big hair.

I didn't know there was cattle at his ranch- i mean other than Cindy Sheehan.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Since I have some respect for inner-city dwelling blacks, I would look for an explanation that has something to do with their deciding to vote for candidates who will represent their interests and beliefs, rather than assume that they are easily fear-mongered, etc. But, hey, that's just me.

that you even say this the way you say it shows disrespect for black people. and yes, that is you.

And it's okay to write off the entire white population of the south as a bunch of racist yahoos who can be led around by their biases? Got it. thank you.

[Oliver_Wendell_Ramone]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I didn't know there was cattle at his ranch-

True, no cattle. Plenty of hat, though.

[Spanky]

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[Spanky]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Bullshit. Part of the Gingrich plan (as you can see by clicking on news stories from the time) included large tax cuts. Try again.

Did Clinton succeed in paring down the tax cuts or just the spending decreases?

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Spanky
Did Clinton succeed in paring down the tax cuts or just the spending decreases?

Both, IIRC.

More importantly, he succeeded in getting re-elected -- not for nothing was the title of that guy from Newsweek's book about the 1996 election called "Back From The Dead." He used the budget battle of 1995 to take himself from irrelevance to dominance of the capital.

He also used it to bond during the government shutdown with a comely young intern over pizza, but that's another part of the Greek tragedy of his life.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
In other words, your neighbors can't think for themselves. The black ones, anyway. Do they appreciate it when you tell them about how you respect their freedom and dignity, or do they react like they've been brainwashed by the Democrats?

congratulations! Spoken like a true urban ivy tower faux-intellectual elitist. Suggestion: spend some time living in East Oakland and experience what the concerns of the people are and how the leftists in the Demo party address them to ensure the creation and subjugation of a perpetual underclass through a racist social-welfare and criminal justice system and then we can compare our experiences.