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02-15-2005, 01:07 PM
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Wild Rumpus Facilitator
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Today's Topic for Debate
So, many social conservatives, including Alan Keyes, are known for positing that homosexuality is learned behavior, or at least that people "choose" to engage in what they deem a "perversion." Those people and many of their fellow travelers believe that legislating morals, at least to the extent of things like DOMA, sodomy laws, is essential to prevent the spread of homosexuality.
So.... How do upright, moral, Christian conservative folk like Dick Cheney and Alan Keyes explain their daughters? Cheney is acknowledged as having become more tolerant of gays than he was in the past since Mary came out. However, if the conservative crowd is right, then how could he have possibly raised hisself a queer to begin with?
Discuss.
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02-15-2005, 01:09 PM
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Southern charmer
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Today's Topic for Debate
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Originally posted by taxwonk
So, many social conservatives, including Alan Keyes, are known for positing that homosexuality is learned behavior, or at least that people "choose" to engage in what they deem a "perversion."
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Since you mention Keyes, I suppose you've read that Keyes' daughter recently came out of the closet. Keyes' response, apparently, was to toss her out of the house.
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02-15-2005, 01:14 PM
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Serenity Now
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Today's Topic for Debate
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Originally posted by taxwonk
So, many social conservatives, including Alan Keyes, are known for positing that homosexuality is learned behavior, or at least that people "choose" to engage in what they deem a "perversion." Those people and many of their fellow travelers believe that legislating morals, at least to the extent of things like DOMA, sodomy laws, is essential to prevent the spread of homosexuality.
So.... How do upright, moral, Christian conservative folk like Dick Cheney and Alan Keyes explain their daughters? Cheney is acknowledged as having become more tolerant of gays than he was in the past since Mary came out. However, if the conservative crowd is right, then how could he have possibly raised hisself a queer to begin with?
Discuss.
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What's there to debate? Keyes is certifyable. Cheney, it appears to me, is doing his best to toe the line between his family life and his obligations to the President.
As far as the logic of you post, I certainly don't agree that homosexuality is learned behavior, but behavior can be learned outside of the home. |
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02-15-2005, 01:18 PM
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World Ruler
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Today's Topic for Debate
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Originally posted by taxwonk
So, many social conservatives, including Alan Keyes, are known for positing that homosexuality is learned behavior, or at least that people "choose" to engage in what they deem a "perversion." Those people and many of their fellow travelers believe that legislating morals, at least to the extent of things like DOMA, sodomy laws, is essential to prevent the spread of homosexuality.
So.... How do upright, moral, Christian conservative folk like Dick Cheney and Alan Keyes explain their daughters? Cheney is acknowledged as having become more tolerant of gays than he was in the past since Mary came out. However, if the conservative crowd is right, then how could he have possibly raised hisself a queer to begin with?
Discuss.
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Mary Cheney is a lesbian?!
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02-15-2005, 01:33 PM
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Proud Holder-Post 200,000
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Today's Topic for Debate
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Mary Cheney is a lesbian?!
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I beleieve he meant Cheney thinks of Condi as a daughter.
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I will not suffer a fool- but I do seem to read a lot of their posts
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02-15-2005, 02:01 PM
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#2946
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Serenity Now
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The Law of Unintended Consequences
CA is considering taxing drivers by the mile. Apparently, one consequence of hybrid vehicles is lower receipts from gas taxes. Who knew?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in674120.shtml |
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02-15-2005, 02:51 PM
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Random Syndicate (admin)
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The Law of Unintended Consequences
I saw a discussion of something similar in Texas a few months ago. The way to do it, though, involves putting a GPS in every car, and keeping track of milage that way. The privacy people are understandably queasy about such a proposition.
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02-15-2005, 03:01 PM
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For what it's worth
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For the record: I realize I came to this late but Evolution is a fact. It has been observed, recorded and catalogued in real time. Whether or not all life on earth came from one replicating nucleic acid strand a few billion years ago before we had an oxygen and nitrogen atmosphere is a theory. A theory supported by strong evidence but still a theory.
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02-15-2005, 03:33 PM
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Serenity Now
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Quote:
Originally posted by Spanky
For the record: I realize I came to this late but Evolution is a fact. It has been observed, recorded and catalogued in real time. Whether or not all life on earth came from one replicating nucleic acid strand a few billion years ago before we had an oxygen and nitrogen atmosphere is a theory. A theory supported by strong evidence but still a theory.
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02-15-2005, 03:39 PM
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For what it's worth
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All due Respect
Sorry - didn't mean to start an avalache - but I left something out in answer to:
Quick question-How did single celled animals develop organ systems through natural selection? [/QUOTE]
Answer: Mutation
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02-15-2005, 03:39 PM
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Too Good For Post Numbers
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Quote:
Originally posted by Spanky
For the record: I realize I came to this late but Evolution is a fact. It has been observed, recorded and catalogued in real time. Whether or not all life on earth came from one replicating nucleic acid strand a few billion years ago before we had an oxygen and nitrogen atmosphere is a theory. A theory supported by strong evidence but still a theory.
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02-15-2005, 03:44 PM
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For what it's worth
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Did I just shoot the Arch Duke in Sarajevo?
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02-15-2005, 03:49 PM
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Random Syndicate (admin)
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Quote:
Originally posted by Spanky
Did I just shoot the Arch Duke in Sarajevo?
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nah. that'd be the abortion debate that stupidly comes up from time to time, though i'm pretty sure not a single mind has been changed in the two years we've been slugging it out.
hank, pull out your "evolution is just a theory that has a lot of holes" macro and let's all move on.
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"In the olden days before the internet, you'd take this sort of person for a ride out into the woods and shoot them, as Darwin intended, before he could spawn."--Will the Vampire People Leave the Lobby? pg 79
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02-15-2005, 03:50 PM
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Proud Holder-Post 200,000
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All due Respect
Quote:
Originally posted by Spanky
Sorry - didn't mean to start an avalache - but I left something out in answer to:
Quick question-How did single celled animals develop organ systems through natural selection?
Answer: Mutation
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Nice- insipid and w/o any tie to science, but good try!
Look you're either a sock in which case I've kicked your ass here before, or you're truly new (which i doubt). If you are really new and trying to make your bones better to take on the Alpha Male first- like your first day in prison you kick the biggest guy's ass-
Well go to the Fashion board and start flaming notfromhere- he is typically seen as the biggest meanest baddest poster. You hold your own with him then we'll give you respect here- now fly away and bring me the broom of nfh!!!!
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02-15-2005, 03:50 PM
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Random Syndicate (admin)
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All due Respect
Quote:
Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Nice- insipid and w/o any tie to science, but good try!
Look you're either a sock in which case I've kicked your ass here before, or you're truly new (which i doubt). If you are really new and trying to make your bones better to take on the Alpha Male first- like your first day in prison you kick the biggest guy's ass-
Well go to the Fashion board and start flaming notfromhere- he is typically seen as the biggest meanest baddest poster. You hold your own with him then we'll give you respect here- now fly away and bring me the broom of nfh!!!!
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FWIW, he's new. I have lots of confirmation on this.
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"In the olden days before the internet, you'd take this sort of person for a ride out into the woods and shoot them, as Darwin intended, before he could spawn."--Will the Vampire People Leave the Lobby? pg 79
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