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sebastian_dangerfield · 10-13-2004, 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by mmm3587
While we're at it, how should we determine which preemptive wars to enter into? Which of the following conditions are sufficient? Which are nececssary for one reasoning for preemptive war, but not sufficient for that reasoning?

(a) State A will probably attack us, and has the WMD to do it.

(b) State A would attack us if it had the WMD, but it doesn't have the WMD, but we think they do.

(c) State A attacked us, and State B was friends with them, so we attack State B.

(d) State A commits atrocities.

(d) State A commits more atrocities than anyone.

(e) State A commits religious atrocities.

(f) Our President's father kind of went to war with State A to protect our ally.

Also please comment on how resources weigh in. Should we get into WWIII with 12 countries because of all the atrocity in the world? What about if we have oil interests there?

I love these sort of posts. They get no substantive response. Dead air for about a half an hour, until someone posts somehing about how Hussein threw kittens into ceiling fans for fun.

The chief frustration of the GOP neocons and chickenhawks with the left (and the reason they take to insulting the left as "elites" and changing the subject all the time) is because, as far as I can see, at least on Iraq, they've got no rebuttal. They're throwing haymakers all over the place while the left ducks and weaves and flurries them with body shots.

The GOP should throw its one good punch - "Hey, stupid, the war is over there now, not here!" Sure, that'll anger the Mideast and the French, but fuck it... you can repair those rifts after you get re-elected.

taxwonk · 10-13-2004, 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Actually, it reminded that Kerry voted against going to war with this savage back in 1991.

Switching gears, for all of you that were so incensed by those "they'll take your Bibles" flyers, are you equally incensed by this:

Democrats in a race for a state House seat in District 82, are circulating a flyer that shows a retarded child with President Bush’s face running in a track race. The headline says: “Voting for Bush Is Like Running In The Special Olympics: Even If You Win, You’re Still Retarded.”... the flyers have been distributed for at least two weeks from Fitzhugh’s campaign office in Ripley, Tennessee. It also serves as the Kerry-Edwards headquarters.

Story and picture of the offensive flyer found here: http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=1951

If it's true, it's reprehensible and I hope the candidate has his head handed to him on election day. But I do note that your source looks about as reliable as Landoverbaptistchurch.org, so I will reserve final judgment.

SlaveNoMore · 10-13-2004, 06:48 PM

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You mock, but I've been following O'Reilly's litigation strategies for a while now. See that aggressive suit he filed against the girl hours earlier to fight off the "shakedown attempt?" I'm not ready to dismiss his assessment of legal claims just yet.

Perhaps he should hire Kobe's lawyer.

Not Me · 10-13-2004, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
He'd call her up and masturbate with a vibrator while talking about his big cock.

Eeew. Did she hang up or did she listen?

dtb · 10-13-2004, 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
If it's true, it's reprehensible and I hope the candidate has his head handed to him on election day. But I do note that your source looks about as reliable as Landoverbaptistchurch.org, so I will reserve final judgment.

2.

By the way, I didn't realize (until watching a very informative, albeit dull, show about The Kennedy Women on Discovery Channel) that Eunice Shriver was key to the establishment of the Special Olympics. Is that common knowledge?

Not Me · 10-13-2004, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The GOP should throw its one good punch - "Hey, stupid, the war is over there now, not here!" Sure, that'll anger the Mideast and the French, but fuck it... you can repair those rifts after you get re-elected.

Iraq=flypaper now and eventually a beacon of democracy at some point.

mmm3587 · 10-13-2004, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by dtb
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By the way, I didn't realize (until watching a very informative, albeit dull, show about The Kennedy Women on Discovery Channel) that Eunice Shriver was key to the establishment of the Special Olympics. Is that common knowledge?

Maybe not common, but it was because of the retarded Kennedy*, right?

*This is a deliberate softball for the rightwingers.

Not Me · 10-13-2004, 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by dtb
By the way, I didn't realize (until watching a very informative, albeit dull, show about The Kennedy Women on Discovery Channel) that Eunice Shriver was key to the establishment of the Special Olympics. Is that common knowledge?

Yes it is common knowledge. The kennedy's (Rose and whatever his name was, the one who made the money by being a bootlegger) had a retarded daughter. They had her lobotomized (not a joke). It was done in the 50's or 40's.

dtb · 10-13-2004, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by mmm3587
Maybe not common, but it was because of the retarded Kennedy*, right?

*This is a deliberate softball for the rightwingers.

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You mean Rosemary? Rosemary is of Eunice's generation and was MILDLY retarded, and Joe Sr. heard of this fabulous new operation -- called a lobotomy? -- that he thought might do her some good. Apparently, he was mistaken and she never had an intelligence level above that of a 4- or 5-year-old again.

(Another factoid learned from the Discovery Channel show.)

So, I understand Rose and Joe Kennedy had 9 kids, but I could only figure out 8 of them from the tv program. Did one die in childhood or something (I missed the beginning of the show)?

SlaveNoMore · 10-13-2004, 06:57 PM

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dtb
By the way, I didn't realize (until watching a very informative, albeit dull, show about The Kennedy Women on Discovery Channel) that Eunice Shriver was key to the establishment of the Special Olympics. Is that common knowledge?

Yes.

mmm3587 · 10-13-2004, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by dtb
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You mean Rosemary? Rosemary is of Eunice's generation and was MILDLY retarded, and Joe Sr. heard of this fabulous new operation -- called a lobotomy? -- that he thought might do her some good. Apparently, he was mistaken and she never had an intelligence level above that of a 4- or 5-year-old again.

Well, you can be in the Special Olympics even if the retardation is caused by accident or surgery and not genetics, right?

Shape Shifter · 10-13-2004, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by Not Me
Eeew. Did she hang up or did she listen?

At $4.95/minute, I'll bet that she listened.

Not Me · 10-13-2004, 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
At $4.95/minute, I'll bet that she listened.

Where do I get that job?

Shape Shifter · 10-13-2004, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by Not Me
Where do I get that job?

Hmph. Your billing rate is lower than I thought.

Not Me · 10-13-2004, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Hmph. Your billing rate is lower than I thought.

My billing rate is not what I take home.

Those of you who PM me wanting to know all about my breast implants, no more freebies, got it? It is now $4.95 a word. I take paypal.