Celebrity Trial Pool

[Atticus Grinch]

1) Guilty as charged on all counts;
2) Acquitted on all charges -- defendant walks;
3) Guilty on some counts or lesser charges, but not all counts. (Must be at least one not guilty returned.)
4) Takes plea;
5) Charges dropped;
6) Other (Flees the country, dies before trial, etc.)

Jackson - 3*
Peterson - 1**
Bryant - 2
Blake - 6
Spector - 3

We should also handicap Martha's appeal. I think she might get a reversal. Tiebreaker?

*I'm also predicting a suicide, but after the jury returns a guilty verdict as to some of the counts, which I read under the rules as a 3 notwithstanding his subsequent demise.

**Will be convicted of two counts of premeditated murder; will not get the death penalty. People who are predicting acquittal are nuts --- he's not being tried in L.A. or S.F. There are parts of California that actually enforce the criminal laws, and where there are juries that help. (I do find it squicky that the indictment names the fetus. Not sure why I feel that way, but I do.)

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
**Will be convicted of two counts of premeditated murder; will not get the death penalty. People who are predicting acquittal are nuts --- he's not being tried in L.A. or S.F. There are parts of California that actually enforce the criminal laws, and where there are juries that help. (I do find it squicky that the indictment names the fetus. Not sure why I feel that way, but I do.)

Not only that, but the judge isn't taking much crap from defense counsel like ITO did. When Gerragos asked for a mistrial the judge said - "that only happens on TV." I like him.

[bold_n_brazen]

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
Building on the success of the Celebrity Death Pool, and since we are purportedly all lawyers and have proven we are not in the least bit squeamish, I am proud to announce the Celebrity Trial Pool.

1. Michael Jackson -- 6
2. Scott Peterson -- 3
3. Kobe Bryant -- 2
4. Robert Blake -- 1
5. Phil Spector -- 1

I feel so dirty...

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
Here are the six choices you have for each case:

1) Guilty as charged on all counts;
2) Acquitted on all charges -- defendant walks;
3) Guilty on some counts or lesser charges, but not all counts. (Must be at least one not guilty returned.)
4) Takes plea;
5) Charges dropped;
6) Other (Flees the country, dies before trial, etc.)

Here are the first five cases:

1. Michael Jackson
2. Scott Peterson
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Robert Blake
5. Phil Spector

Michael 4
Scott 4
Kobe 1
Baretta 3
wall o' sound 6

Hank Chinaski

'89 Law '92, '94, '98
Winner 2004 FB super bowl pool
48-4

[c2ed]

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand

Here are the six choices you have for each case:

1) Guilty as charged on all counts;
2) Acquitted on all charges -- defendant walks;
3) Guilty on some counts or lesser charges, but not all counts. (Must be at least one not guilty returned.)
4) Takes plea;
5) Charges dropped;
6) Other (Flees the country, dies before trial, etc.)

1. Michael Jackson - 3*
2. Scott Peterson - 1**
3. Kobe Bryant - 2
4. Robert Blake - 4***
5. Phil Spector - 5


*7 counts of lewd act upon a child, and 2 of administering an intoxicating agent? I'll bet that he's guilty of the 2 counts of giving the kid alcohol and about 2 counts of lewd acts ... and I agree with Atticus and others that he then might commit suicide

** arrogant dumbass is too stupid to take a plea

*** being old and enfeebled (and a bit off his rocker at this point), his attorney finally gets him a plead down sentence and negotiates for less time in the slammer

[Jack Manfred]

1. Michael Jackson - 3 (attempted suicide by pills fails)
2. Scott Peterson - 1 (and the death penalty)
3. Kobe Bryant - 2 (and quickly settles civil suit for an undisclosed sum)
4. Robert Blake - 3 (explain how he pleads when he feels justified in his actions and when no defense attorney has client control)
5. Phil Spector - 5 (murder charges dropped, if there are other weapons charges in the indictiment then 3 or 4)

[Anne Elk]

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
Here are the six choices you have for each case:

1) Guilty as charged on all counts;
2) Acquitted on all charges -- defendant walks;
3) Guilty on some counts or lesser charges, but not all counts. (Must be at least one not guilty returned.)
4) Takes plea;
5) Charges dropped;
6) Other (Flees the country, dies before trial, etc.)

Here are the first five cases:

1. Michael Jackson
2. Scott Peterson
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Robert Blake
5. Phil Spector

1. Michael Jackson - 3
2. Scott Peterson - 1
3. Kobe Bryant - 3
4. Robert Blake - 6
5. Phil Spector - 6

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand

Here are the six choices you have for each case:

1) Guilty as charged on all counts;
2) Acquitted on all charges -- defendant walks;
3) Guilty on some counts or lesser charges, but not all counts. (Must be at least one not guilty returned.)
4) Takes plea;
5) Charges dropped;
6) Other (Flees the country, dies before trial, etc.)

Here are the first five cases:

1. Michael Jackson
2. Scott Peterson
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Robert Blake
5. Phil Spector

1. Michael Jackson - 3
2. Scott Peterson - 3
3. Kobe Bryant - 2
4. Robert Blake - 1
5. Phil Spector - 3

[tmdiva]

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand Here are the six choices you have for each case:

1) Guilty as charged on all counts;
2) Acquitted on all charges -- defendant walks;
3) Guilty on some counts or lesser charges, but not all counts. (Must be at least one not guilty returned.)
4) Takes plea;
5) Charges dropped;
6) Other (Flees the country, dies before trial, etc.)

Here are the first five cases:

1. Michael Jackson
2. Scott Peterson
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Robert Blake
5. Phil Spector

Michael Jackson--3
Scott Peterson--1
Kobe Bryant--2
Robert Blake--4
Phil Spector--6 (are they not arguing insanity? Because this guy is on another planet)

tm

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand

Here are the first five cases:

1. Michael Jackson
2. Scott Peterson
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Robert Blake
5. Phil Spector

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1) Guilty as charged on all counts;
2) Acquitted on all charges -- defendant walks;
3) Guilty on some counts or lesser charges, but not all counts. (Must be at least one not guilty returned.)
4) Takes plea;
5) Charges dropped;
6) Other (Flees the country, dies before trial, etc.)

1) Jackson: 3
2) Peterson: 1
3) Bryant: 2
4) Blake: 1
5) Spector: 5

Are lesser-included offenses a possibility in any of these trials? Do they go into category 1, should it happen (that is, it's not a partial acquital, right?)

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

1) Jackson: 3
2) Peterson: 1
3) Bryant: 3
4) Blake: 4
5) Spector: 4

[Aloha Mr. Learned Hand]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Are lesser-included offenses a possibility in any of these trials? Do they go into category 1, should it happen (that is, it's not a partial acquital, right?)

I'd probably give credit for 1 or 3 in that situation, unless there's an explicit not guilty, and then 3 only...

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Are lesser-included offenses a possibility in any of these trials?

We won't know until the juries are actually instructed. As I understand it, "lesser included" is just a doctrine that describes a defendant's right to have the jury instructed that they may, as an alternative to conviction of the most serious count, instead find the defendant guilty of a related crime with fewer requisite elements, and em has a right not to be convicted of both offenses at the same time (e.g., if convicted of both manslaughter and murder two, only the murder two conviction stands for the same occurrance if all of the elements of manslaughter are "included" in murder two).

Do they go into category 1, should it happen (that is, it's not a partial acquital, right?)

If the jury is instructed on both the greater charge and the lesser charge, and returns a guilty verdict on the latter but not the former, that will always mean partial acquittal --- he beat one of the counts alleged by the P.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
We won't know until the juries are actually instructed. As I understand it, "lesser included" is just a doctrine that describes a defendant's right to have the jury instructed that they may, as an alternative to conviction of the most serious count, instead find the defendant guilty of a related crime with fewer requisite elements, and em has a right not to be convicted of both offenses at the same time (e.g., if convicted of both manslaughter and murder two, only the murder two conviction stands for the same occurrance; if all of the elements of manslaughter are "included" in murder two).



If the jury is instructed on both the greater charge and the lesser charge, and returns a guilty verdict on the latter but not the former, that will always mean partial acquittal --- he beat one of the counts alleged by the P.

Alright. This is getting way too complicated for some of us transactional types to wrap our brains around. I want a refund of my entry fee.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Myriad confused ramblings

Fuck that. Spector and Blake. Murder 1- anything else is "lesser"
Peterson, Murder 1 - 2 counts. Anything else is lesser.
Jackson. Fucking a minor- anything else is lesser.
Kobe- whatever forcible rape is- anything else is lesser.

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