Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes. - Page 20

bilmore · 03-15-2005, 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
For someone as old as you are, you've lost a lot of perspective.

I have to bow to your better knowledge of the sea. I suppose we all know the most about our own eras.

So, if anyone has any questions about the kon-Tiki . . .

bilmore · 03-15-2005, 03:56 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Cite, please.

That was the TAE interviewer.

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Cite, please.

That was O'Neil

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Cite, please.

That was O'Neil again.

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And O'Neill's been making statements about it since 1971. What a hack.

Well, you've convinced me. College debate team?

Shape Shifter · 03-15-2005, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
That was the TAE interviewer.

So the media ignored this whole thing? I don't think so. We all seem to know about it.

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That was O'Neil

Yes, and I want a specific cite, cause I think he's making this up. If what he says is true, why isn't he naming names? Is he afraid he'll be Fostered?

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That was O'Neil again.

Right. And I want to know the basis for his assertion.

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Well, you've convinced me. College debate team?

Kerry lost the election, thank in no small part to R stooges like O'Neill. The horse is dead, Mikolka. You can stop beating it now.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy · 03-15-2005, 04:10 PM

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So the media ignored this whole thing? I don't think so. We all seem to know about it.

Yes, and I want a specific cite, cause I think he's making this up. If what he says is true, why isn't he naming names? Is he afraid he'll be Fostered?

Right. And I want to know the basis for his assertion.

Kerry lost the election, thank in no small part to R stooges like O'Neill. The horse is dead, Mikolka. You can stop beating it now.

How did the worm taste?

Hey, Bilmore, tell us about what Saddam was going to do with all those WMD again?

bilmore · 03-15-2005, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
How did the worm taste?

Hey, Bilmore, tell us about what Saddam was going to do with all those WMD again?

Problem is, this pretty much sums up the "substantive" responses to the SBV's during the election. Lots of reporters and anchors and bloggers and dems yelling "effin liars!", and not talking about what they said. I mean, look at the substantive responses here. The best so far is "cite!", after nine months of cites.

SlaveNoMore · 03-15-2005, 04:20 PM

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bilmore
Problem is, this pretty much sums up the "substantive" responses to the SBV's during the election. Lots of reporters and anchors and bloggers and dems yelling "effin liars!", and not talking about what they said. I mean, look at the substantive responses here. The best so far is "cite!", after nine months of cites.

44 days ago, John Kerry promised, on national TV [Hardball, for those that care], to sign form SF-180 and release his military records.

He has yet to do so. And the blogs are keeping track.

Tyrone Slothrop · 03-15-2005, 04:21 PM

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Do you just totally disbelieve all of those people on faith - especially all of those in that group of his commanders - and then chuckle patronizingly when someone mentions them - or do you have some unshared info that allows you to make a reasoned judgment that they are bad, or wrong, or . . . ?

I don't have the time today to give your post the Fisking it deserves. The Swift Boat Vets proved long ago that they were more interested in getting Kerry than in getting it right. They have zero credibility, like the stopped clock that's right twice a day (mine just blinks, but whatever). O'Neill and the vets most responsible for decades of trying to assassinate Kerry's character are well and truly bothered by his public opposition to the war, for reasons that most of the rest of the country long ago worked past. O'Neill suggests this in that interview, but has largely opted to slime Kerry on other questions instead of taking him on the real issue, knowing that his sound lost that round in the 1970s. Like the libertarians who can't get over the New Deal, O'Neill is still fighting the War. It would have been nice to think that the silver lining to November's election results would be that we don't have to listen to this crap anymore, because it is nauseating on so many levels, but I guess that's too much to ask for.

bilmore · 03-15-2005, 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't have the time today to give your post the Fisking it deserves. The Swift Boat Vets proved long ago that they were more interested in getting Kerry than in getting it right. They have zero credibility, like the stopped clock that's right twice a day (mine just blinks, but whatever). O'Neill and the vets most responsible for decades of trying to assassinate Kerry's character are well and truly bothered by his public opposition to the war, for reasons that most of the rest of the country long ago worked past. O'Neill suggests this in that interview, but has largely opted to slime Kerry on other questions instead of taking him on the real issue, knowing that his sound lost that round in the 1970s. Like the libertarians who can't get over the New Deal, O'Neill is still fighting the War. It would have been nice to think that the silver lining to November's election results would be that we don't have to listen to this crap anymore, because it is nauseating on so many levels, but I guess that's too much to ask for.

It would have been shorter to just type "effin' liars!"

Again, absolutely no response to what was said. All those commanders were just lying? He WAS in Cambodia?

His 180 would go far in disproving some of the stuff, and he's promised to release it, so . . .

Replaced_Texan · 03-15-2005, 04:24 PM

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The secret admin powers lead me to think that description holds for everyone who posts here regularly.

2.

Tyrone Slothrop · 03-15-2005, 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
44 days ago, John Kerry promised, on national TV [Hardball, for those that care], to sign form SF-180 and release his military records.

He has yet to do so. And the blogs are keeping track.

Who fucking cares? I mean, really? It's not like anyone on this board is the charter member of the John Kerry Fan Club.

SlaveNoMore · 03-15-2005, 04:25 PM

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Shape Shifter
Kerry lost the election, thank in no small part to R stooges like O'Neill. The horse is dead, Mikolka. You can stop beating it now.

Kerry lost the election, thanks in no part because (a) he is an arrogant, pompous windbag, (b) he is a career do-nothing politician, (c) he lied about his Vietnam and Cambodian service, (d) he made a mockery of the US Military after he returned, (e) he called his fellow soldiers/sailors "War Criminals" and (f) represents a party that is slowly becoming extinct on the national level.

Shape Shifter · 03-15-2005, 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Problem is, this pretty much sums up the "substantive" responses to the SBV's during the election. Lots of reporters and anchors and bloggers and dems yelling "effin liars!", and not talking about what they said. I mean, look at the substantive responses here. The best so far is "cite!", after nine months of cites.

Who is the reporter O'Neill mentioned, the one that said they wouldn't publish it because it would help Bush? Where is the evidence that NYT and WaPo decided not to go with the story despite it being "well documented"? And where is the evidence of a media conspiracy to silence the SBVs? If there was one, it was mighty damned incompetent, because I heard and read and saw this story everywhere. Maybe you missed it when you were crawling under rocks with O'Neill.

bilmore · 03-15-2005, 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Who fucking cares? I mean, really? It's not like anyone on this board is the charter member of the John Kerry Fan Club.

He's gonna run again. You know it.

Frankly, as I think of this, it's sort of dumb for a Repub to talk about this now. We should save it for when he gets the next nomination, and then pull it back out. If we do it too much too early, you'all'll pick Hilary, and then we're toast.

Shape Shifter · 03-15-2005, 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Kerry lost the election, thanks in no part because (a) he is an arrogant, pompous windbag, (b) he is a career do-nothing politician, (c) he lied about his Vietnam and Cambodian service, (d) he made a mockery of the US Military after he returned, (e) he called his fellow soldiers/sailors "War Criminals" and (f) represents a party that is slowly becoming extinct on the national level.

Now I know how the Red Sox fans feel.

Tyrone Slothrop · 03-15-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
It would have been shorter to just type "effin' liars!"

You would have liked that, wouldn't you.

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Again, absolutely no response to what was said.

We got deep into those details last fall. Perhaps you were on hiatus or something. Go back and read the archives here. Back then, I knew where to find supporting materials because it was current. Right now, it would take more time than I have.

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All those commanders were just lying?

No, most of those commanders were happy to lend their name to an attack on Kerry, but were not suggesting that they had personal knowledge of O'Neill's attacks.

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He WAS in Cambodia?

I have spent so much time on the Cambodia thing here. More than I should, given how skeezy these issues are. Go back and read the archives.

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His 180 would go far in disproving some of the stuff, and he's promised to release it, so . . .

As I said to Slave, who fucking cares? Is it just a pleasant diversion from the Social Security and bankruptcy spectacles?