A disgusting vat of filth that no self-respecting intelligent person would wade into.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Adder
I thought emergency rooms could close themselves and, for example, not accept an ambulance? I thought that was alleged to have happened to a New York Times reporter who died as a result of a mugging afterwhich he apparently got inadequate care.

He was not turned down for inability to pay, of course, but I thought maybe this is what Spanky was thinking of.

its apples and oranges moron, there are capacities issues, no matter how big the institution is. that is not generally part of the health care crisis.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
They can go on driveby status if they're overly full or understaffed. It looks like the hosptial in that case tried to go on driveby status but was denied by the local EMS authority if this editorial is right. Emergency rooms are pretty chaotic places, and it looks like that case was one where it's pretty clear that the system broke down pretty severely from the initial 911 call, to the ambulance pick up, to the triage in the ER, to his death.

don't local governments administer the 911 services? Generally, how do response efficiencies compare in big cities between upper and upper middle class neighbourhoods versus poor inner city neighbourhoods??????

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
What are the common factors that you theorize are behind the voting pattersn of the inner city poor?

Unlike you and Hank, I think the inner-city poor are about as rational and gullible as other people.

Why is the RoI question stupid?

Because it's a meaningless concept. What's the investment? The time spent voting?

Phrase it another way, based on the common factors that you identified in the first question, how successful are the local elected officials in delivering some meaningful fulfillment of such motivating factors?

That would depend on which factors predominate. For example, someone might be very happy to have voted for Maxine Waters, simply because she says a lot of stuff that other elected officials aren't saying. Oklahomans may vote for Tom Coburn for the same reasons. Would I vote for either of them? No.

To the extent that there is a meaningful gap between the delivery of meaningful fulfillment and motivating factors, what intangibles do you think account for the continued voting patterns?

Since Ronald Coase is a smart man, I will say "transaction costs." I can't be completely wrong with that answer, right?

I don't expect that you will answer the above, because the answer would cause an honest look in the mirror assessment of the failure of the Democrat party to effectively deliver on its promises to the most disadvantaged in society (on a socio-economic basis, which, is in part, a factor of centuries of racial discrimination), but I will take your non-answer, duck and weave as confirmation of such failure.

What promises are you talking about? And do you think Republicans have had anything to do with this?

You seem less interested in the condition of inner-city blacks than in using the condition of inner-city blacks to fuck with Democrats. Which may be why inner-city blacks chose to vote for Democrats instead of the candidates you back.

[Southern Patriot]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
What are the common factors that you theorize are behind the voting pattersn of the inner city poor? Why is the RoI question stupid? Phrase it another way, based on the common factors that you identified in the first question, how successful are the local elected officials in delivering some meaningful fulfillment of such motivating factors? To the extent that there is a meaningful gap between the delivery of meaningful fulfillment and motivating factors, what intangibles do you think account for the continued voting patterns?

I don't expect that you will answer the above, because the answer would cause an honest look in the mirror assessment of the failure of the Democrat party to effectively deliver on its promises to the most disadvantaged in society (on a socio-economic basis, which, is in part, a factor of centuries of racial discrimination), but I will take your non-answer, duck and weave as confirmation of such failure.

Son, I usually like the way you tell these yellow livered yankee molly-coddlers the way it is, but what kind of mumbo-jumbo is this?

Tell him what you mean stright out: if the Democrats weren't always raising the minimum wage, all these folks would have good, solid jobs, probably make a whole $3 or even $4 an hour, and be able to work 10, 12 even 14 hours a day, six or seven days a week, and not worry about this education stuff. Why, there'd be a chick in every pot, yes siree. If they'd just listen to those Bush and Cheney boys from Texas way, we'd take care of them. Yes, we would.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Unlike you and Hank, I think the inner-city poor are about as rational and gullible as other people.



Because it's a meaningless concept. What's the investment? The time spent voting?



That would depend on which factors predominate. For example, someone might be very happy to have voted for Maxine Waters, simply because she says a lot of stuff that other elected officials aren't saying. Oklahomans may vote for Tom Coburn for the same reasons. Would I vote for either of them? No.



Since Ronald Coase is a smart man, I will say "transaction costs." I can't be completely wrong with that answer, right?



What promises are you talking about? And do you think Republicans have had anything to do with this?

You seem less interested in the condition of inner-city blacks than in using the condition of inner-city blacks to fuck with Democrats. Which may be why inner-city blacks chose to vote for Democrats instead of the candidates you back.

Assuming you are correct, in turn your party will continue to use that to exploit the inner city poor and fail to deliver any meaningful reform or opportunity to them and by the same racially oppress them. I am willing to say the system is broken, you would rather use racist policies to condemn people to deprive peoiple of their rights and opportunity, and yet you will say I am the bad person. Your hypocrisy is boundless.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Assuming you are correct, in turn your party will continue to use that to exploit the inner city poor and fail to deliver any meaningful reform or opportunity to them and by the same racially oppress them. I am willing to say the system is broken, you would rather use racist policies to condemn people to deprive peoiple of their rights and opportunity, and yet you will say I am the bad person. Your hypocrisy is boundless.

What do you think the government should do?

eta: I think reform and opportunity for inner-city blacks is a great idea. I support such things, and I tend to vote for politicians who are pro such things. Tellingly, you've spent a lot of time suggesting that I and other Democrats are racist, and almost none on what is to be done.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
its apples and oranges moron, there are capacities issues, no matter how big the institution is. that is not generally part of the health care crisis.

Yes, those with basic reading comprehension skills understood that the question was whether Spanky's concerns about people being turned away from emergency rooms were a symptom of the "health care crisis" or something else.

That said, capacities, if systematic, could indeed be part of any crisis.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
don't local governments administer the 911 services? Generally, how do response efficiencies compare in big cities between upper and upper middle class neighbourhoods versus poor inner city neighbourhoods??????

In the article that RT linked to, the victim was mugged and beaten in an affluent, albeit urban, neighborhood, but treated in a hospital in a poor(ish) inner city neighborhood.

Draw whatever wild, unsupported conclusions that you will.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
What do you think the government should do?

eta: I think reform and opportunity for inner-city blacks is a great idea. I support such things, and I tend to vote for politicians who are pro such things. Tellingly, you've spent a lot of time suggesting that I and other Democrats are racist, and almost none on what is to be done.

1. I felt what was most important as a first step was acknowledging the problem and assesing the cause. I think that we have come to agreement that the Dems and their decades of racially oppressive policies of poor inner city minourities, including but not limited to the racially biased application of the law enforcement and the criminal justice system, failure to deliver effective public education, failure to maintain safe public housing, and just general corruption and graft, have caused the creation and perpetuation of an underclass in the inner cities who find themselves actively deprived of hope, freedom, opportunity and/or the American Dream.

I think we can agree that this is a tragedy.

Now that we have identified the problem and the root cause, some initial suggestions to address this are, anything but the status quo. We have agreed there is a total failure, minour adjustments, as we see before our very eyes are pointless. I am sure if the Dems were auto repairman and my car stopped running they would think initial solutions might be, (i) put sheepskin seat covers on; (ii) tint the windows, and/or (iii) armour all the whitewalls, but I think at some point someone has to stand up and say, cosmetic repairs won't restart the car. We need a complete overhaul and perhaps, a new car. A sea change, if you will.

A new Paradigm.

drastic reform, including, in part, privatization.........uh oh.......I have to run to a meeting......to be continued......

[Spanky]

Looks like they are expecting a veto on stem cell.....

This morning on Capitol Hill six legislators held a bi-partisan press conference on to advocate for the passage of the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act. RMC would like to thank Senator Specter, Senator Hatch and Representative Castle (DE-AL) for their strong leadership and advocacy for this vital medical research as compassionate conservative members of the GOP.


You are making a difference. We are already gaining more support for the passage of this important bill. Three Republican Congressmen have changed their vote. Representative Bishop (UT-1), Representative Price (GA-6) and Representative Reichert (WA-8) have all moved from voting no last session and are now original co-sponsors of HR3 this session. Please help us ensure that those who voted for this bill do so again and that we gain even more votes to sustain a possible Presidential veto.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Adder
I thought emergency rooms could close themselves and, for example, not accept an ambulance? I thought that was alleged to have happened to a New York Times reporter who died as a result of a mugging afterwhich he apparently got inadequate care.

He was not turned down for inability to pay, of course, but I thought maybe this is what Spanky was thinking of.

I think the basic idea is that if everyone is covered then the Hospitals will have less of a reason to find excuses to turn people away, and give hospitals less of a reason to shut down their ERs. Plus if everyone is covered then people will use their normal doctors instead of the ER. So covering everyone may actually save money, and even if it doesn't, it will stop all the shenanigans with the ERs.

It is clearly in everyone's interests that as many ER rooms are as open as possible and that all these ERs do their best to help anyone that comes their way, because someday that person that comes their way may be you. The only way to do this is to make sure everyone is covered.

I think the idea is to come up with a system where everyone is covered, however, make it as least bureaucratic as possible (and least socialistic as possible) while providing the universal coverage.

I think this is what the Governator's proposal is driving at.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
its apples and oranges moron, there are capacities issues, no matter how big the institution is. that is not generally part of the health care crisis.

P. just got back. no time to read all of Ty's wack-a-posts. I did win didn't I? Can I add to the count?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
P. just got back. no time to read all of Ty's wack-a-posts. I did win didn't I? Can I add to the count?

Yes.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Southern Patriot
Son, I usually like the way you tell these yellow livered yankee molly-coddlers the way it is, but what kind of mumbo-jumbo is this?

Tell him what you mean stright out: if the Democrats weren't always raising the minimum wage, all these folks would have good, solid jobs, probably make a whole $3 or even $4 an hour, and be able to work 10, 12 even 14 hours a day, six or seven days a week, and not worry about this education stuff. Why, there'd be a chick in every pot, yes siree. If they'd just listen to those Bush and Cheney boys from Texas way, we'd take care of them. Yes, we would.

So your minimum wage has solved their problems? GGG. What TV shows do you and Ty watch to get your understanding of the reality these people face? We all know you've created the great society to raise everyone up. But it's been 40 years now and it ain't happening real quick. From your Big Dem playbook- are we on track?

Again, another class of kids will graduate from Detroit schools this June and not be equipped for life. Do you even find your act funny?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
So your minimum wage has solved their problems? GGG. What TV shows do you and Ty watch to get your understanding of the reality these people face? We all know you've created the great society to raise everyone up. But it's been 40 years now and it ain't happening real quick. From your Big Dem playbook- are we on track?

Again, another class of kids will graduate from Detroit schools this June and not be equipped for life. Do you even find your act funny?

No one does, and we all know his lame effourts. He once gave me the passwourd to a sock and I was able to record the isp from the email, so can ID his socks.

Hank, I ponder, the libs here critic us and yet they refuse to be honest about the damage they inflict on freedom and the poor disadvantageds. other libs go as far as to make an unfunny joke of it.

why?

I know GGG and Adder are mentally and emotionally deficient, but Ty used to seem smart.

discuss.

eta; ps: 2001 Columbia Signature Series Red Willow Vineyard Syrah