Waiting for Fitzgerald - Page 208

bilmore · 10-13-2005, 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
Someone I know recently interviewed and after disclosing somewhat recent pot use was advised that it was necessary to be clean for one year.

Back in my college daze, they recruited anyone with languages. They told us that drug use was "officially a problem", but that we should just (wink, wink) answer the questionaire as we saw fit.

'Course, it was pretty hard back then, at that particular school, to find anyone who wasn't using.

Gattigap · 10-13-2005, 06:39 PM

New poll shows Bush's popularity with black Americans at two percent. It's the lowest rating ever recorded for a President.

Two percent.

That's just astonishing.

bilmore · 10-13-2005, 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
That's just astonishing.

To me, too.

Maybe people ARE sheep.

Diane_Keaton · 10-13-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
New poll shows Bush's popularity with black Americans at two percent. It's the lowest rating ever recorded for a President.

Two percent.

That's just astonishing.

And Reagan's (and any other Repub's besides J.C. Watts's and Colin Powell's) popularity among blacks was what? 3%?

Gattigap · 10-13-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
To me, too.

Maybe people ARE sheep.

I mean, I thought the basement for American politicians was much higher, even among groups that don't like the candidate.

Look at the Illinois Senate race. GOP ran Alan Keyes against Obama.

Keyes wasn't just a bad candidate, he was crazy. Batshit crazy. IIRC, the Illinois GOP establishment was almost openly embarrassed to run the guy, it was so bad. And even Keyes got something like 25-30% of the vote.

Edited to add, actually that's probably an imperfect analogy at best. Better is the previous polling mentioned in WaPo: "A few months after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found Bush's approval rating among blacks at 51 percent. As recently as six months ago, it was at 19 percent."

Spanky · 10-13-2005, 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
I am aware of his stances on abortion and gun control. I don't worry about the former because he'll never actually be able to effect change and I don't care about the latter because the people on the right side of the gun control debate will never be able to effect change.

I didn't say that I woud vote for him over most Dems. I said I would favor him over any of the likely nominees. If the Dems actually nominate someone who has a reasonable plan and the credibility to convince me em'll actually try to implement it, I'd vote for the Dem.

But we both know that ain't gonna happen. Any more than McCain getting the nod ffom youse guyz.

I think McCain has got a good chance. If a moderate Republican doesn't run (Giulani, Rice, Pataki) I will support him. Although I find his "campaign finance reform" really hard to swallow. If character trumped policy I would support him for sure, but in my book it does not.

Gattigap · 10-13-2005, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
I think McCain has got a good chance. If a moderate Republican doesn't run (Giulani, Rice, Pataki) I will support him. Although I find his "campaign finance reform" really hard to swallow. If character trumped policy I would support him for sure, but in my book it does not.

I keep hearing about Rice, but I've never understood why. The woman's never held elective office of ANY kind, and she's been deeply involved in some of the GWB Administration's more controversial policy decisions.

Have you heard about her wanting to run, or is this a case of GOP analysts trying to find the anti-Hillary?

Spanky · 10-13-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap

Edited to add, actually that's probably an imperfect analogy at best. Better is the previous polling mentioned in WaPo: "A few months after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found Bush's approval rating among blacks at 51 percent. As recently as six months ago, it was at 19 percent."

Is this New Orleans? Maybe his mother's comment? That is the lowest percentage I have ever seen. Hell 0 is within the margin of error.

Gattigap · 10-13-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
Is this New Orleans? Maybe his mother's comment? That is the lowest percentage I have ever seen. Hell 0 is within the margin of error.

True. Perhaps only imaginary black people support Bush.

WaPo noted that the overall poll hat 807 people, and about 89 blacks, so there's a definite margin of error problem. They also speculated that Katrina (and maybe his mom's comment, who knows) contributed to the drop, and move from simply not supporting him to being pissed at him.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 10-13-2005, 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
I keep hearing about Rice, but I've never understood why. The woman's never held elective office of ANY kind, and she's been deeply involved in some of the GWB Administration's more controversial policy decisions.

Have you heard about her wanting to run, or is this a case of GOP analysts trying to find the anti-Hillary?

2. She seems like a pretty private person, and more scholarly than gregarious.

I think you're likely right that it's partly a hillary counter strategy--I'll match your woman with a black woman! Sucka!

Spanky · 10-13-2005, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
I keep hearing about Rice, but I've never understood why. The woman's never held elective office of ANY kind, and she's been deeply involved in some of the GWB Administration's more controversial policy decisions.

Have you heard about her wanting to run, or is this a case of GOP analysts trying to find the anti-Hillary?

Because she comes from the Republicans worst demographic. She is a black women. A Black single women. By just who she is she would cut into the Democrats most secure base.

Gattigap · 10-13-2005, 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by Spanky
Because she comes from the Republicans worst demographic. She is a black women. A Black single women. By just who she is she would cut into the Democrats most secure base.

Yeah, I understand that part. I was just curious whether Condi has ever said she would be willing to do something like that. Ya gotta want it BAD, and I have no idea if Condi does.

I also think the dynamic of a campaign would be, well, weird. "Poor campaigner? No elective experience? Don't worry! We'll surround her with experienced personnel in government, and it'll all be fine!"

Penske_Account · 10-13-2005, 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
To me, too.

Maybe people ARE sheep.

It exposes the very worst result of the racist plantation politics of the DNC. Very very sad that people are so oppresively deluded by the massive amounts of pork flavoured kool-aid and the lack of education courtesy of the socialist/liberal teacher's unions.

Secret_Agent_Man · 10-13-2005, 07:57 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Egypt has finally relented, realized that Israel's pullout from Gaza was actually a handover of Gaza to Egypt (what a great present!), and has taken over the PA.

Meaning, Palestine is closer to being subsumed back into the surrounding countries, where it belongs.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtri...444444446.html

Not much of a gift, but this is a good thing.

One problem is that Jordan is not big enough or strong enough to exert the same kind of control over those groups in the West Bank -- even if that part went back into Jordan.

But maybe Egypt could exert the same kind of influence over a unitary Palestinian state. Which would be ok with us so long as they are good citizens (i.e. "notSyria"). Potential downside -- control of these groups gives Egypt more leverage against us and Israel.

S_A_M

sgtclub · 10-13-2005, 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Yeah, I understand that part. I was just curious whether Condi has ever said she would be willing to do something like that. Ya gotta want it BAD, and I have no idea if Condi does.

I also think the dynamic of a campaign would be, well, weird. "Poor campaigner? No elective experience? Don't worry! We'll surround her with experienced personnel in government, and it'll all be fine!"

my sources tell me she's far more likely to run for CA GOV or Senate.