Nutjobs Ranting About Politics.

[sgtclub]

New York, N.Y. — New York Times columnist Paul Krugman says he believes the United States needs a "mega-Watergate" scandal to uncover a far-reaching right-wing conspiracy, going back forty years, to gain control of the U.S. government and roll back civil rights.

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200409010941.asp

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I'm sure they will. They're not shy about that. "Terminate terrorism" and "economic girly men." So cheesy, but some how he pulls it off.

Um, no. He pulls it off with people who already luff him to pieces. For the 70% of Caleeforneeans who voted against him, the constant movie references long after the campaign makes California look like a bit of joke.

Reagan knew how to use it sparingly, so he could be taken seriously when he needed respect.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
If the subsequent demonization by his constituency (and your party) is the fault of those who outed him, the demonization of all other gay people is their own fault for coming out of the closet.

Funny how you reject the unintended consequences of voting for the GOP's anti-gay platform, but you would have gay activists eat the unintended consequences of seeking to have their lifestyle seen as normal and commonplace by pointing out that beloved Patch leaders are gay, too.

You make it sound so innocuous. The outer was merely trying to point out that someone was gay, huh? I see it more as blackmail, and so do many others, and so do you, I suspect. You can't blackmail someone for something they are proud of. So, the message is, this is so bad, it was worth resigning over.

The message everyone is left with is, he was so guilt-ridden and shamed that everyone found out he was gay that he had to quit.

Great message. I think it hurts much more than it helps.

Am I speaking of how people like you and I see the message? Obviously not. But, if most people held our views, there would likely already be gay marriages. The minds that must be changed are the ones most likely to perceive this negative message.

[SlaveNoMore]

sgtclub
POF - Sharpton spoke at the convention.

On the night that the media didnt cover.

He also scared the fuck out of the organizers, when he hijacked his 7 minute slot into 25*


*These numbers are from memory, and as such, may be off

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Um, no. He pulls it off with people who already luff him to pieces. For the 70% of Caleeforneeans who voted against him, the constant movie references long after the campaign makes California look like a bit of joke.

Agree. Many people already thought CA was a joke before Arnold. Especially in the Patch. He's made it worse. It's a little disturbing that he's the governor of our most populous state knowing that all of his accomplishments are a result of a superior physical genetic predisposition. It's not like he came over here and worked hard -- he was huge before he ever picked up a weight.

And we know he enjoyed lifting weights by this statement: "It is as satisfying to me as coming is - you know, as having sex with a woman and coming. So can you believe how much I am in heaven? I am, like, getting the feeling of coming in the gym. I'm getting the feeling of coming at home. I'm getting the feeling of coming backstage when I pump up.When I pose out in front of 5000 people I get the same feeling. So I'm coming day and night."

I don't want him coming near me.

[SlaveNoMore]

sgtclub
http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200409010941.asp

The public humiliation he suffered at the hands of Bill O'Reilly during that debate must still be tormenting him.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Many people already thought CA was a joke before Arnold. Especially in the Patch.

For the record, some of us have a deep empathy for the celebrity-governed.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Speaking of, if you wanted to see the opposite end of the spectrum at the RNC, listen to Frist's speech (which was just before prime time). The man was awful -- hawking Bush's health care plan (admittedly, a tough sell under any conditions) -- but the man sounded like a street vendor selling snake oil.

FWIW, Andrew Sullivan had a similar take on the GOP Senate Majority leader.

The highpoint of this section was the speech of Bill Frist. I've never really listened to him give a speech before and this one was frighteningly bad. He has a cadaverous face and a terrifying smile. His first anecdote made no sense at all. His denunication of trial lawyers - the one moment when he didn't look like a funeral director - left him wild-eyed and awkward-gestured. He spoke as if to a bunch of seven year olds in their second language. How did this guy ever get to a position of leadership? He's the Senate Majority Leader and, on a bad day, he'd give small kids nightmares. His speech was a mishmash of comic cliches, pathetically contrived hand movements, that robotic swivel from teleprompTer screen to teleprompTer screen, and crude demagoguery. When you see who really runs the GOP (funny Tom DeLay isn't in prime time, isn't it?), you begin to realize why a cross-dressing ex-mayor, a dissident Californian and an unelected ex-librarian are among its major spokespeople.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Gattigap
How did this guy ever get to a position of leadership? He's the Senate Majority Leader and, on a bad day, he'd give small kids nightmares.

Doesn't he realize that he's answered his own question?

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
The public humiliation he suffered at the hands of Bill O'Reilly during that debate must still be tormenting him.

Hadn't seen that. Did O'Reilly use the well-worn Shout-Down Technique to secure his overwhelming victory, or was it obtained through the more traditional Lincoln-Douglas rules?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Gattigap
FWIW, Andrew Sullivan had a similar take on the GOP Senate Majority leader.

Speaking of incoherence, as Andrew does, this was his most entertaining line:

"The speakers were designed to target certain demographic and interest groups, just as the Democrats used to."

Thank gawd the Dems have stopped targeting interest groups, eh?

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by bilmore
Speaking of incoherence, as Andrew does, this was his most entertaining line:

"The speakers were designed to target certain demographic and interest groups, just as the Democrats used to."

Thank gawd the Dems have stopped targeting interest groups, eh?

Sullivan thought they always did, but THK's appearance of at the Dem convention made this theory unsupportable.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by bilmore
The message everyone is left with is, he was so guilt-ridden and shamed that everyone found out he was gay that he had to quit.

Anyone getting that message already thought it before the guy was outed. It changed not a thing in their minds.

You have reason to be pissed that your party disqualifies a broad category of fundamentally decent people from holding office. But putting the blame for this on those who refuse to be hurt by closeted people's complicity with an anti-gay agenda is a little skewed. You're the one saying that it's important to know that Kerry drives an SUV while supporting emission controls. I agree with the Bilmore who says that dissonance between a politician's platform and his life is relevant to his qualifications.

Gay people have a right to be anti-gay in their politics. But if you are going to be an anti-gay gay, you don't have the right to do it from within a closet. That is the moral authority I give to people who want to point out that the guy who just voted to deny gay couples adoption rights did so because his public marriage allows him to have kids and get truck stop blowjobs.

[SlaveNoMore]

Gattigap
Hadn't seen that. Did O'Reilly use the well-worn Shout-Down Technique to secure his overwhelming victory, or was it obtained through the more traditional Lincoln-Douglas rules?

He handing Krugman clips from his own column - so I'd say the former.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Anyone getting that message already thought it before the guy was outed. It changed not a thing in their minds.

It reinforced it. In a move designed to help gays, it hardens the anti-gays.

I'm not saying there's any moral basis for this result. I'm not defending people who see it this way. Don't complain to me that the people who think this way are asshats. Makes no difference. Asshats vote.