Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes. - Page 22

bilmore · 03-15-2005, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I have no idea what this means, but I do know that Dan Rather and Mary Mapes are now playing golf.

But not together.

bilmore · 03-15-2005, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I meant that if she's going to run -- and I'd rather she didn't -- I hope she loses in the primaries, rather than the general election.

I'll lay five bucks now that she's our next prez.

Hank Chinaski · 03-15-2005, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
lay five bucks

She won't lay any guys. Almost cost hubby the big job.

Tyrone Slothrop · 03-15-2005, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
I'll lay five bucks now that she's our next prez.

You're on. I bet you five dollars that she is not our next president.

bilmore · 03-15-2005, 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You're on. I bet you five dollars that she is not our next president.

I hope I lose. I have a number of such bets. I just figure it's a win/win for me. If I place enough of these, the bucks might help ameliorate the pain.

SlaveNoMore · 03-15-2005, 04:57 PM

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Tyrone Slothrop
You're on. I bet you five dollars that she is not our next president.

Can I also get in on this action?

Only conceivable way she could possibly win is if a third party candidate splits the GOP and takes over 20% of the vote

Not Bob · 03-15-2005, 04:59 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Figures. They're part of the media conspiracy and this just shows the pernious extent of the problem.

Several Slate articles address them -- but I was recalling one of them that linked to this FactCheck.org (a website that our Vice President endorsed, as I recall) article. Click away, Bimore.

Slate articles: http://www.slate.com/id/2105353 and http://www.slate.com/id/2105529

And O'Neill was the tool of those swell guys Nixon and Colson signed up simply to smear John Kerry 30 years ago -- and I think that the White House tapes (thanks, Alexander Butterfield!) show that Mister Clean lied to them about his own service when they hired him to smear Kerry. I'll hunt the cite for that down later if requested.

ltl/fb · 03-15-2005, 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
the majority of Hank posts make her nips get hard.

Nah. Yours just get eye rolls, because I don't want to speak to you or touch you.

Hank Chinaski · 03-15-2005, 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Nah. Yours just get eye rolls, because I don't want to speak to you or touch you.

mmmmmm rolls mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

ltl/fb · 03-15-2005, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
mmmmmm rolls mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Those are rolls of fat, baby.

bilmore · 03-15-2005, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Only conceivable way she could possibly win is if a third party candidate splits the GOP and takes over 20% of the vote

Okay. 5 from Slave.

It's the split of the GOP that I'm betting on. I think Hil challenges the middle, the R party has to move that way to meet the challenge, and some hard-core righty then has more elbow room.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 03-15-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I meant that if she's going to run -- and I'd rather she didn't -- I hope she loses in the primaries, rather than the general election.

Do you really think she would lose in the primaries? As soon as she announces, there will be no money left for anyone else. If she has half a brain, and I concede she probably does, she'll have the nomination locked up by Super Tuesday.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy · 03-15-2005, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Okay. 5 from Slave.

It's the split of the GOP that I'm betting on. I think Hil challenges the middle, the R party has to move that way to meet the challenge, and some hard-core righty then has more elbow room.

So you don't think the Rove strategy of steering the party to the right and bringing out the Red state votes will keep? Is it still going to be all about Ohio and Florida?

If Hill goes for it, her strategy will focus on Florida. If you add Florida to Hillary's column, it is possible for her to then lose one modest sized state that Kerry won and still take it, but she can't lose Michigan or Pennsylvania. It's the eye of the needle.

ltl/fb · 03-15-2005, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
I think Hil challenges the middle

You are making this up in hopes we will get our defenses down, correct? Nice try. Your people will bring up her communistic plans for universal health care and her amorality in cooperating with/abetting in her husband's activities with Monica etc. What about her would possibly appeal to red states? (or, states on the redder side of purple, since pretty much all the states are really shades of purple and not solidly blue or red, which people tend to forget).

bilmore · 03-15-2005, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by Not Bob
Click away, Bimore.

Man, how many times did we all parse Saletan back then? Not hard to imagine, as his defense of Kerry and attack on the Swifties is best characterized like this:

"One comes from Louis Letson: "I know John Kerry is lying about his first Purple Heart because I treated him for that injury." The other comes from Van O'Dell: "John Kerry lied to get his Bronze Star. ... I know, I was there, I saw what happened."

Letson loses credibility right away for implying that he has firsthand knowledge about his allegation. He doesn't. The allegation has to do with the source of Kerry's injury, not its severity. According to Tuesday's Los Angeles Times, Letson told the paper that after treating Kerry, "[Letson] learned from some medical corpsmen that other crewmen had confided that there was no exchange of fire and that Kerry had accidentally wounded himself as he fired at the guerrillas. Letson said he didn't know if the crewmen giving this account were in the boat with Kerry or on other boats."

That's third-hand testimony from somebody who doesn't even know the identity or location of the firsthand source. Pretty lousy stuff. Furthermore, the Times notes, "Navy rules during the Vietnam War governing Purple Hearts did not take into account a wound's severity—and specified only that injuries had to be suffered 'in action against an enemy.' … A Times review of Navy injury reports and awards from that period in Kerry's Swift boat unit shows that many other Swift boat personnel won Purple Hearts for slight wounds of uncertain origin." Case closed."

Case closed? That's his case for that point? Maybe you buy that. That sounds like my brother telling mom that, since mom didn't actually SEE him hit me with the hammer, the bloody hammer laying next to the puddle on the floor next to my gashed head means nothing.

The whole Slate article is comprised of "this isn't enough proof for ME!" I was, somehow, not surprised. Remember Saletan's words about his own bias:

"After the election, I examined the faulty inferences through which I had translated an accurate account of Bush's shortcomings into an inaccurate prediction of his defeat. I never owned up to why had I drawn those inferences: because I had formed—and still retain—a negative opinion of Bush's maturity and wisdom, which I expected others to form as well. I had focused entirely on Bush's flaws."

And yet, you direct me to this as your source of info on the Swifties?

(ETA - forgot the cite - http://slate.msn.com/id/95513/ )