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04-05-2007, 05:25 PM
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Blondie would say the tide is higher.
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Figure 11.10b is anthropogenic change only.
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I know that is his thesis. And, I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but it seems to me that the fact the changes started before much of the fuel burning we now do occured, and the slope being constant, point to it being natural- that is, he's wrong.
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04-05-2007, 05:40 PM
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Blondie would say the tide is higher.
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I know that is his thesis. And, I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but it seems to me that the fact the changes started before much of the fuel burning we now do occured, and the slope being constant, point to it being natural- that is, he's wrong.
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Lots of coal use before 1910.
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04-05-2007, 05:52 PM
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Blondie would say the tide is higher.
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Lots of coal use before 1910.
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lookat your graph's slope since 1950 then look at Ty's guy's slope- it shouldn't be relatively constant.
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04-05-2007, 05:55 PM
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Blondie would say the tide is higher.
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
lookat your graph's slope since 1950 then look at Ty's guy's slope- it shouldn't be relatively constant.
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Why is that?
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04-05-2007, 05:57 PM
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Blondie would say the tide is higher.
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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Why is that?
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the slope (the increase) looks like it about triples in 1950, meanwhile the slope in Ty's graph stays pretty constant, one would think it should increase dramatically.
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04-05-2007, 06:00 PM
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Blondie would say the tide is higher.
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I know that is his thesis. And, I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but it seems to me that the fact the changes started before much of the fuel burning we now do occured, and the slope being constant, point to it being natural- that is, he's wrong.
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It's not a he, it's a they. And they're aware of the natural phenomena. Either the slope isn't constant or you're looking at the wrong graph.
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04-05-2007, 06:01 PM
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Blondie would say the tide is higher.
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
the slope (the increase) looks like it about triples in 1950, meanwhile the slope in Ty's graph stays pretty constant, one would think it should increase dramatically.
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There is a distinct break around 1940/1950 in Ty's slope, and Ty's slope and SS's slope are measuring different things.
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I'm using lipstick again.
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04-05-2007, 06:02 PM
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Blondie would say the tide is higher.
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
the slope (the increase) looks like it about triples in 1950, meanwhile the slope in Ty's graph stays pretty constant, one would think it should increase dramatically.
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If you assume that coal consumption directly correllates with rise in sea level. But if it's that simple, who needs a Ph.D.?
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04-05-2007, 06:03 PM
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Blondie would say the tide is higher.
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
There is a distinct break around 1940/1950 in Ty's slope, and Ty's slope and SS's slope are measuring different things.
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No fair helping Hank with science stuff. |
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04-05-2007, 06:08 PM
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Blondie would say the tide is higher.
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Originally posted by ironweed
No fair helping Hank with science stuff.
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I'm trying to make up for lost time on the nice, not naughty, thing so that the Easter bunny will bring me lots of candy or thongs or candy thongs or whatever. I also helped a foreigner locate the bus stop today while I was walking to my car from Starbucks.
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04-05-2007, 06:09 PM
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Blondie would say the tide is higher.
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
There is a distinct break around 1940/1950 in Ty's slope, and Ty's slope and SS's slope are measuring different things.
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but SS's graph is total carbon emissions- that is supposed to be the problem. Ty's graph has a slope that varies slightly up and down, but does not have any real "break" ever, certainly it's not tripled. Again, I DON'T CARE IF TY PROVES THERE IS GLOBAL WARMING, but these graphs seem to prove something else.
Conf: to Icantread- you should keep your fingers further from your keyboard when we talk about math or science here.
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04-05-2007, 06:09 PM
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Blondie would say the tide is higher.
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Originally posted by ltl/fb
I'm trying to make up for lost time on the nice, not naughty, thing so that the Easter bunny will bring me lots of candy or thongs or candy thongs or whatever. I also helped a foreigner locate the bus stop today while I was walking to my car from Starbucks.
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was he a Marine?
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04-05-2007, 07:53 PM
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Annals of anti-Semitism.
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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Translation: Bush isn't doing a good job with the war situation; therefore U.S. officials should be sent to cavort with terrorist-supporting nations who are working against U.S. interests. That will help.
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Translation: She is not trying to start a shadow presidency. She's visiting Syria because, unlike Bush, she'll still be in power after 2008 and has an interest - and right, as her REPUBLICAN COUNTERPARTS WHO MADE A SIMILAR TRIP LAST WEEK - to determine for herself how we might handle Syria.
Her trip was harmless and calling it treason or dangerous imbecillic. This kind of argument makes the right look stupid, rightly.
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04-05-2007, 08:05 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
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Annals of anti-Semitism.
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Translation: She is not trying to start a shadow presidency. She's visiting Syria because, unlike Bush, she'll still be in power after 2008 and has an interest - and right, as her REPUBLICAN COUNTERPARTS WHO MADE A SIMILAR TRIP LAST WEEK - to determine for herself how we might handle Syria.
Her trip was harmless and calling it treason or dangerous imbecillic. This kind of argument makes the right look stupid, rightly.
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Whoops. See the next post.
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Last edited by Tyrone Slothrop; 04-05-2007 at 08:31 PM..
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04-05-2007, 08:05 PM
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Annals of anti-Semitism.
The Romney campaign says it's not OK for Pelosi to visit Syria because she disagrees with the President's Iraq policy. Which makes no sense, but is refreshingly direct.
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Last edited by Tyrone Slothrop; 04-05-2007 at 08:31 PM..
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