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[SlaveNoMore]

greatwhitenorthchick
I'm just invisible to you, aren't I.

My favorite Canadian? Nonsense!!!

[patentparanyc]

Originally posted by Spanky
If you want to get technical about it. I should have said at some point you are going to have to lie to every woman. No woman is perfect, and every woman "has a bad hair day". On such bad hair days or when queried about her possibly one imperfection, you need to lie. Every women is insecure about her looks* (especially models because they go to castings all day most of which are unsuccessful, and even supermodels get turned down from jobs because they "just don't look right" - and their imagination turns that into - you are ugly).

You can never tell a woman she is attractive enough. And the one time you tell her that her thighs could just be a little bit thinner is the one comment she will remember for the rest of her life and she will spin it over and over again in her head.

To call a women ugly is just plain cruel. It would be nicer to beat her with a baseball bat. The injury from the latter assault would heal much quicker.

There is no excuse for calling a woman ugly or unattractive to her face. It just should never be done under any circumstances. In this one circumstance lying is not only acceptable it is an imperative.

As Sebby would say, I will get off my soap box now.


* The only exception to this rule is fat black women.

okay the big softball is fat asian women too?

just kidding

I think I handled it well besides the batshit thing. oh that.

I don't need help, I just am very stubborn and like to drive points home. I am here since I have some friends here and if the cool table decides I'm bunk so be it. I'll live.

and you are fair and balanced. stripper eye contact weirdness aside.

[Flinty_McFlint]

Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
It's actually a pretty good flick.

And Susan Sarandon looks fabulous in it.

She sure did.

[Flinty_McFlint]

Originally posted by patentparanyc
okay the big softball is fat asian women too?

just kidding

I think I handled it well besides the batshit thing. oh that.

I don't need help, I just am very stubborn and like to drive points home. I am here since I have some friends here and if the cool table decides I'm bunk so be it. I'll live.

and you are fair and balanced. stripper eye contact weirdness aside.

Yeah, all my friends don't defend me either. They are awesome.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Well see? You should have been posting here all along. You would have helped us all avoid so much pain.

This is tripe. Women are no more fragile than men. I agree with you to a certain extent -- white lies, here are there are harmless and probably beneficial in most cases. And it's okay to have such a rule in general. But if you do, it shouldn't be applied to just women on some sort of theory that they are incapable of hearing the truth because of permanent mental trauma.

TM

I think it depends on the relevant pool.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Well see? You should have been posting here all along. You would have helped us all avoid so much pain.

This is tripe. Women are no more fragile than men. I agree with you to a certain extent -- white lies, here are there are harmless and probably beneficial in most cases. And it's okay to have such a rule in general. But if you do, it shouldn't be applied to just women on some sort of theory that they are incapable of hearing the truth because of permanent mental trauma.

TM

I told you I would get Annoying. I was trying to turn this into a debate but I do have to agree with your final point.

Women are not more fragile than Men as a rule, but in this one area I believe they are (clearly Ms. Canada disagrees with me - but no one ever mistaken me for a feminist). Being told they are ugly by a Man (a women, not so much) is what hurts them deeply. For men it is being told by a woman that their Johnson is too small. That is a scar that will last a lifetime.

[patentparanyc]

Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
Yeah, all my friends don't defend me either. They are awesome.

YOu know what Flinty? that is bs. I didn't ask them to defend me publicly. They are friends with a lot of people here and I selflessly asked them not to get involved and they sent nice PMs and nice emails. No one wants to get involved in this debacle.........but people said nice sympathetic things.

[patentparanyc]

Originally posted by patentparanyc
YOu know what Flinty? that is bs. I didn't ask them to defend me publicly. They are friends with a lot of people here and I selflessly asked them not to get involved and they sent nice PMs and nice emails. No one wants to get involved in this debacle.........but people said nice sympathetic things.

In fact, I told certain people absolutely not to get involved seeing as they are friends with both sides if you will. I'm mature like that. you can laugh all you want.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Spanky
I told you I would get Annoying. I was trying to turn this into a debate but I do have to agree with your final point.

Women are not more fragile than Men as a rule, but in this one area I believe they are (clearly Ms. Canada disagrees with me - but no one ever mistaken me for a feminist). Being told they are ugly by a Man (a women, not so much) is what hurts them deeply. For men it is being told by a woman that their Johnson is too small. That is a scar that will last a lifetime.

One woman wasn't so bad, but when it became a pattern . . .

[patentparanyc]

Originally posted by patentparanyc
In fact, I told certain people absolutely not to get involved seeing as they are friends with both sides if you will. I'm mature like that. you can laugh all you want.

Besides, people are human. noone wishes to be ostracised or put thru what i have been put thru past few days I really feel like i've been a trooper albeit a whiney one.

one of the attys bought me coffee from sbux...

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Spanky
Women are not more fragile than Men as a rule, but in this one area I believe they are (clearly Ms. Canada disagrees with me - but no one ever mistaken me for a feminist). Being told they are ugly by a Man (a women, not so much) is what hurts them deeply. For men it is being told by a woman that their Johnson is too small. That is a scar that will last a lifetime.

On the former, I think it depends on the man and who is saying it. On the latter, Flinty told me it only hurts when it's true.

If you're a guy and a girl you really like and respect tells you she thinks you're too busted to date, it would be as deeply scarring as if it happened to a woman. Guys laugh it off when they're in a bar and some girl says the same after a dumb line. But in that kind of situation, so do women.

Hell, my criticism of The Notorious F.A.T. shouldn't have bothered her at all. She doesn't fucking know me. There is no reason to value my opinion and any sane person would have said, "I and my husband disagree," and that would have been the end of it. And, although I've met ugly girls who think they're hot, I have yet to meet a hot girl who doesn't know it on some level. The ones who are and know it don't let insults about their looks bother them that much, unless it comes from someone they care about and/or respect.

TM

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by Spanky
I told you I would get Annoying. I was trying to turn this into a debate but I do have to agree with your final point.

Women are not more fragile than Men as a rule, but in this one area I believe they are (clearly Ms. Canada disagrees with me - but no one ever mistaken me for a feminist). Being told they are ugly by a Man (a women, not so much) is what hurts them deeply. For men it is being told by a woman that their Johnson is too small. That is a scar that will last a lifetime.

No, this is not Annoying at all. Debate is good.

I will take your point and Thurgreed's and just add this: fwiw, I don't think I have solicited any comments on my appearance in a long time from men because I think most of them subscribe to your theory. So that is why, if I really cared, I would go to my female friends. One in particular. She is the only person I will shop with because she's the only person I know who will be completely honest with me about whether something looks good or looks like shit. (I suppose I would also go to TM because he also would give it to me straight). I just think that honesty has its place.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Spanky
For men it is being told by a woman that their Johnson is too small. That is a scar that will last a lifetime.

What if she pauses to think, and then says (possibly slightly uncertainly) "No, no, it's fine. I mean, it's great! I love it." Scarring?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
we tolerate such posters quite well here.

If by "tolerate" you mean abuse and attack and denigrate, I agree.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
No, this is not Annoying at all. Debate is good.

I will take your point and Thurgreed's and just add this: fwiw, I don't think I have solicited any comments on my appearance in a long time from men because I think most of them subscribe to your theory. So that is why, if I really cared, I would go to my female friends. One in particular. She is the only person I will shop with because she's the only person I know who will be completely honest with me about whether something looks good or looks like shit. (I suppose I would also go to TM because he also would give it to me straight). I just think that honesty has its place.

Do you think TM can do the relative thing? Like (and I am not speaking of you, of course, red lingerie girl) considering that someone is not all that, skirt A is more flattering than skirt B? Or would the answer always be "Yeah, you don't look so good in that [because you are not attractive]"?