Still Hating America.

[SlaveNoMore]

Unlike those neocon meanies at the WaPo (Hi Ty!!!), the true friends of the Democrat party - Hamas, Hizballah, etc. - all "fully appreciate" her visit to the region:

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Terrorists endorse Pelosi's 'good policy of dialogue'

Palestinian terror group members call US House speaker's visit to Damascus 'brave' and hope for talks with Iran; ‘I think the Democratic Party can do things the best,’ Islamic Jihad member says

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Syria Wednesday – in which she called for dialogue with Damascus – was "brave" and "very appreciated" and could bring about "important changes" to America's foreign policy, including talks with "Middle East resistance groups," according to members of Palestinian terror organizations whose top leaders live in Syria.

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Al-Batch expressed hope Pelosi and the Democratic Party will pressure Bush to create dialogue with Syria and Middle East "resistance movements" and prompt an American withdrawal from Iraq.

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Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas' military wing in the Gaza Strip, said the willingness by some lawmakers to talk with Syria "is proof of the importance of the resistance against the US.
"The Americans know and understand they are losing in Iraq and the Middle East and that their only chance to survive is to reduce hostilities with Arab countries and with Islam. Islam is the new giant of the world," he said.

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"I think it's very nice and I think it's much better when you sit face to face and talk to (Syrian President Bashar) Assad. It's a very good idea. I think she is brave and hope all the people will support her. All the American people must make peace with Syria and Iran and with Hamas. Why not?" Jaara said....

Why not, indeed.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The Romney campaign says it's not OK for Pelosi because she disagrees with the President's Iraq policy. Which makes no sense, but is refreshingly direct.

I don't buy that horseshit about elected officials having to tow the line behind the state department's official policy. First, its never actually been followed. Second, it offends the concept of checks and balances.

Sure, Pelosi will whore it up, and her party voted for the war just like the GOP did because they're also solely self-interested like any other politician, but she does have a right to be there and I can't see any bad coming of dialogue with Assad (whose father, some may recall, murdered - and I mean clear cut liek they were trees - an entire slum full of radical Islamists... Sounds like a good policy to me).

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Unlike those neocon meanies at the WaPo (Hi Ty!!!), the true friends of the Democrat party - Hamas, Hizballah, etc. - all "fully appreciate" her visit to the region.

How odd that they didn't thank Darrell Issa.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
How odd that they didn't thank Darrell Issa.

When and if Darrell Issa actually becomes relevant, I'm sure I'll feel compelled to condemn him too.

[SlaveNoMore]

sebastian_dangerfield
...I can't see any bad coming of dialogue with Assad.

Hamas agrees with you.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Hamas agrees with you.

She had to go tell Syria that message that was posted on the internet, and it was important that someone credible deliver the message, and being No. 3* in our Government she had credibility even though nothing she says should be interpreted to apply to our government.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
She had to go tell Syria that message that was posted on the internet....

You are referring to a newspaper story about her trip to Damascus, you yutz.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You are referring to a newspaper story about her trip to Damascus, you yutz.

is the slope on my stupidity pretty constant, or is it spiking?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Hamas agrees with you.

An excellent segue. Do some research on "Hama Massacre." The Assads didn't have too many problems with Islamic nuts after that...

We were dumb enough to take Iraq's version of Hafez Assad out of power and hang him.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
is the slope on my stupidity pretty constant, or is it spiking?

I thought the function in question was your attention span.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I don't have a dog in this fight, but SS's graph is total carbon emissions- that is supposed to be the problem. Ty's graph has a slope that varies slightly up and down, but does not have any real "break" ever, certainly it's not tripled. Again, I DON'T CARE IF TY PROVES THERE IS GLOBAL WARMING, but these graphs seem to prove something else.

Conf: to Icantread- you should keep your fingers further from your keyboard when we talk about math or science here.

I'm counting this as 4 wins (IW F SS T) that puts me over 400. I'm fucking Hank Aaron. 401-25, and I think it speaks volumes about ncs that she has 7 of my losses. bravo!

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I'm counting this as 4 wins (IW F SS T) that puts me over 400. I'm fucking Hank Aaron. 401-25, and I think it speaks volumes about ncs that she has 7 of my losses. bravo!

I think Plated was Hank Aaron. You're just chasing his record. But stay away from the grand jury and you'll be fine.

S_A_M

P.S. After all, your avatar does have a huge skull . . .

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I'm counting this as 4 wins (IW F SS T) that puts me over 400. I'm fucking Hank Aaron. 401-25, and I think it speaks volumes about ncs that she has 7 of my losses. bravo!

You ignored my post pointing that the graph is of sea-level rise, not global warming. See above re attention span.

Oh, and congratulations, but I hope Mrs. Aaron doesn't find out -- I'll bet she swings some mean lumber too.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The Romney campaign says it's not OK for Pelosi to visit Syria because she disagrees with the President's Iraq policy. Which makes no sense, but is refreshingly direct.

Pelosi’s meetings in Syria go beyond the Iraq war issue. She may disagree with the President about the war in Iraq, but in terms of diplomatic relations… she shouldn’t be suggesting or giving the impression that the current administration isn’t being fair to Syria in terms of how much it should be listening and talking to Syria. She may disagree that U.S. troops in Iraq, but her country has been attempting (well before the war in Iraq) to reign in Syria’s role in terrorism, creating weapons of mass destruction, human rights violations and raiding big sovereign countries like Lebanon. Take for example the Syria Accountability Act, which Pelosi voted for and lists as its purpose: "To Halt Syrian support for terrorism, end its occupation of Lebanon, stop its development of weapons of mass destruction, cease its illegal importation of Iraqi oil, and hold Syria accountable for its role in the Middle East, and for other purposes."

Let's see what Congress, Pelosi included, has to say about Syria in the Act:

Congress makes the following findings:

(1) United Nations Security Council Resolution 1373 (September 28, 2001) mandates that all states `refrain from providing any form of support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts', take `the necessary steps to prevent the commission of terrorist acts', and `deny safe haven to those who finance, plan, support, or commit terrorist acts'.

(2) The Government of Syria is currently prohibited by United States law from receiving United States assistance because it is listed as a state sponsor of terrorism.

(3) Although the Secretary of State lists Syria as a state sponsor of terrorism and reports that Syria provides `safe haven and support to several terrorist groups', fewer United States sanctions apply with respect to Syria than with respect to any other country that the Secretary lists as a state sponsor of terrorism.

(4) Terrorist groups, including Hizballah, Hamas, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command, maintain offices, training camps, and other facilities on Syrian territory and operate in areas of Lebanon occupied by the Syrian armed forces and receive supplies from Iran through Syria.

(5) United Nations Security Council Resolution 520 (September 17, 1982) calls for `strict respect of the sovereignty, territorial integrity, unity and political independence of Lebanon under the sole and exclusive authority of the Government of Lebanon through the Lebanese Army throughout Lebanon'.

(6) More than 20,000 Syrian troops and security personnel occupy much of the sovereign territory of Lebanon, thereby exerting undue influence upon its government and undermining its political independence.

(7) Since 1990 the Senate and House of Representatives have passed seven bills and resolutions calling for the withdrawal of Syrian armed forces from Lebanon.

(8) Large and increasing numbers of the Lebanese people from across the political spectrum in Lebanon have mounted peaceful and democratic calls for the withdrawal of the Syrian Army from Lebanese soil.

(9) Israel has withdrawn all of its armed forces from Lebanon in accordance with United Nations Security Council Resolution 425 (March 19, 1978), as certified by the United Nations Secretary General.

(10) Even in the face of this United Nations certification that acknowledged Israel's full compliance with Resolution 425, Syria permits attacks by Hizballah and other militant organizations on Israeli outposts at Shebaa Farms, under the false guise that it remains Lebanese land. Syria also permits attacks on civilian targets in Israel.

(11) Syria will not allow Lebanon, a sovereign country, to fulfill its obligation in accordance with Security Council Resolution 425 to deploy its troops to southern Lebanon.

(12) As a result, the Israeli-Lebanese border and much of southern Lebanon is under the control of Hizballah, which continues to attack Israeli positions and allows Iranian Revolutionary Guards and other militant groups to operate freely in the area, destabilizing the entire region.

(13) The United States provides $40,000,000 in assistance to the Lebanese people through private nongovernmental organizations, $7,900,000 of which is provided to Lebanese-American educational institutions.

(14) In the State of the Union address on January 29, 2002, President George W. Bush declared that the United States will `work closely with our coalition to deny terrorists and their state sponsors the materials, technology, and expertise to make and deliver weapons of mass destruction'.

(15) The Government of Syria continues to develop and deploy short- and medium-range ballistic missiles.

(16) The Government of Syria is pursuing the development and production of biological and chemical weapons.

(17) United Nations Security Council Resolution 661 (August 6, 1990) and subsequent relevant resolutions restrict the sale of oil and other commodities by Iraq, except to the extent authorized by other relevant resolutions.

(18) Syrian President Bashar Assad promised the Secretary of State in February 2001 to end violations of Security Council Resolution 661 but this pledge has not been fulfilled.

(19) In direct violation of United Nations Sanctions, Syria has been importing 200,000 barrels of Iraqi oil on a daily basis since 2000, which has provided Iraq with up to $1,200,000,000 annually.

(20) There are reports that Syria is pursuing the development of chemical weapons, such as VX and Sarin, and is harboring fugitive Iraqi officials.

(21) On April 20, 2003, President Bush said there were positive signs that Syria will cooperate on the issue of harboring fugitive Iraqi officials.

SEC. 3. SENSE OF CONGRESS.

It is the sense of Congress that--

(1) the Government of Syria should immediately and unconditionally halt support for terrorism, permanently and openly declare its total renunciation of all forms of terrorism, and close all terrorist offices and facilities in Syria, including the offices of Hamas, Hizballah, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command;

(2) in accordance with United Nations Security Council Resolution 520 (September 17, 1982), which calls for the strict respect for Lebanon's sovereignty and territorial integrity, the Government of Syria should immediately declare its commitment to completely withdraw its armed forces, including military, paramilitary, and security forces, from Lebanon, and set a firm schedule for such withdrawal;

(3) the Government of Syria should halt the development and deployment of short- and medium-range ballistic missiles and cease the development and production of biological and chemical weapons;

(4) the Government of Syria should halt illegal imports and transshipments of Iraqi oil and come into full compliance with United Nations Security Council Resolution 661 and subsequent relevant resolutions;

(5) the Governments of Lebanon and Syria should enter into serious unconditional bilateral negotiations with the Government of Israel in order to realize a full and permanent peace; and

(6) the United States should continue to provide humanitarian and educational assistance to the people of Lebanon only through appropriate private, nongovernmental organizations and appropriate international organizations, until such time as the Government of Lebanon asserts sovereignty and control over all of its territory and borders and achieves full political independence, as called for in United Nations Security Council Resolution 520.

SEC. 4. STATEMENT OF POLICY.

It is the policy of the United States that--

(1) Syria should bear responsibility for all attacks committed by Hizballah and other terrorist groups with offices or other facilities in Syria, or bases in areas of Lebanon occupied by Syria;

(2) the United States will work to deny Syria the ability to support acts of international terrorism and efforts to develop or acquire weapons of mass destruction;

(3) the Secretary of State will continue to list Syria as a state sponsor of terrorism until Syria ends its support for terrorism, including its support of Hizballah and other terrorist groups in Lebanon and its hosting of terrorist groups in Damascus, and comes into full compliance with United States law relating to terrorism and United Nations Security Council Resolution 1373 (September 28, 2001);

(4) the full restoration of Lebanon's sovereignty, political independence, and territorial integrity is in the national security interest of the United States;

(5) Syria is in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 520 (September 17, 1982) through its continued occupation of Lebanese territory and its encroachment upon its political independence;

(6) Syria's obligation to withdraw from Lebanon is not conditioned upon progress in the Israeli-Syrian or Israeli-Lebanese peace process but derives from Syria's obligation under Security Council Resolution 520;

(7) Syria's acquisition of weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missile programs threaten the security of the Middle East and the national interests of the United States;

(8) Syria has violated United Nations Security Council Resolution 661 (August 6, 1990) and subsequent relevant resolutions by purchasing oil from Iraq; and

(9) the United States will restrict assistance to Syria and will oppose multilateral assistance for Syria until Syria withdraws its armed forces from Lebanon, halts the development and deployment of weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles, and complies with Security Council Resolution 661 and subsequent relevant resolutions.

Pelosi’s own statement on the Act: “Syria’s assistance to terrorist organizations is well known, and the State Department continues to list Syria as a state sponsor of terrorism, in violation of resolutions on that issue by the United Nations Security Council. The Bekaa Valley in Lebanon, which Syria controls, provides a haven and the site of training facilities for Hezbollah, Hamas, and other terrorist groups. These activities could not occur without the assent of the Syrian government.”

So, gee I wonder why people are upset at a vocal critic of the administration getting cozy with Syria’s top chiefs/henchmen and talking about keeping open dialogues and shit.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Hamas agrees with you.

I agree with Slave that Hamas agrees with Ty who agrees with Sebby. I assume you all agree with me on this, no?