A disgusting vat of filth that no self-respecting intelligent person would wade into.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Stop it, man, you're killing me.

Ty, obviously this story is still breaking. Much like Rathergate, let's wait and see where the chips fall or do you really think its impossible that the Clinton team (whether authorised from the top or not and I would assume plausible denialibility is the gudiing mantra over there) could not conduct such reserach and plant such inuendo?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Did you know that NRO ran the same tidbit about Obama, likewise attributing it to the Hillary camp? Now that you know this, do you not find it a little odd that Hillary is choosing Insight and NRO as the media for her smears? I do.

What I wouldn't find odd is that her team (again, whether authorised by her or not, and I assume plausbile denialibility) would use the right wing media to source this shit. It gives them more cover to claim plausible deniability. Us, talk to those RW rags!?!!? Never. And sheeple would tend to believe this.

Certainly you are not naive enough to think that this shite doesn't go on, are you?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I am talking about a general stance for decency in the upcoming campaign and beyond. Obviously you want to split partisan hairs. I am sorry you are so myopic in your views of what the Clinton campaign is doing here and right and left MSM are doing here.

Maybe there are other more highminded folkes here and abroad who will join me in an ethical stance.

Anyone?

If you take an ethical stance, I'll join you.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
It certainly is odd that we find out about "Hillary's" smears of Obama from places like Insight and the National Review Online. Strange bedfellows? Or maybe it's something more onanistic on the part of Insight and NRO.

2. I support Ty in his suggestion that extreme party organs like NRO or Insight, and by extension NYT WP and LAT, have no place posted at a place like this where we are all too educated to believe the dogma.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Ty, obviously this story is still breaking. Much like Rathergate, let's wait and see where the chips fall or do you really think its impossible that the Clinton team (whether authorised from the top or not and I would assume plausible denialibility is the gudiing mantra over there) could not conduct such reserach and plant such inuendo?

I fully believe that they are capable of it. I just don't believe they did it. If it came out of Hillary's campaign, it would have been leaked through AIPAC or CBS.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
If you take an ethical stance, I'll join you.

If you were capable of it you would already be here. Sad. In your case I blame the Cook County machine. You are victim and I hope someday you can get liberated from that oppression.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
If you were capable of it you would already be here. Sad. In your case I blame the Cook County machine. You are victim and I hope someday you can get liberated from that oppression.

Buy me dinner this time, and we can discuss it further.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
I fully believe that they are capable of it. I just don't believe they did it. If it came out of Hillary's campaign, it would have been leaked through AIPAC or CBS.

If you have ever worked in national politics you would know that Washington tends to be a small town where partisanship can be transcended by political gain, i.e. politics makes strange bedfellows. If you assume the right only sources the right and likewise on the left, you are making an ass out of yourself, again.

As for AIPAC-I personally know higher up operatives in AIPAC who are Republicans, including but not limited to Bush Rangers. How do you explain this?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Buy me dinner this time, and we can discuss it further.

Indeed. Al fresco?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
If you have ever worked in national politics you would know that Washington tends to be a small town where partisanship can be transcended by political gain, i.e. politics makes strange bedfellows. If you assume the right only sources the right and likewise on the left, you are making an ass out of yourself, again.

As for AIPAC-I personally know higher up operatives in AIPAC who are Republicans, including but not limited to Bush Rangers. How do you explain this?

If you were not being so arrogant, you would recognize that the Clinton camp would be smart enough to realize that anyone they might actually sway would either (i) not take anything coming from Insight or NRO seriously or (ii) would not have heard of either one.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Indeed. Al fresco?

January's a bit breeezy for al fresco, but if you really have your heart set on it, we can sup on frozen sushi.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
If you were not being so arrogant, you would recognize that the Clinton camp would be smart enough to realize that anyone they might actually sway would either (i) not take anything coming from Insight or NRO seriously or (ii) would not have heard of either one.

I disagree. Once it hits the internet its everywhere. We are a year out from the first primary, this is the start of the a campaign of chipping away slowly. The subject will probably die for now and then be resurrected again with different, new details. To the extent I recognize superlative performance, the Clinton campaign machine is one of, if not the best, at being dirty. Carville and his people are the successors of Lee Atwater and both are forebears of Rove. Are you really this naive?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
January's a bit breeezy for al fresco, but if you really have your heart set on it, we can sup on frozen sushi.

I bought a fur lined ball muff to go with the Kilt, so I am all set!!!

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Ty, obviously this story is still breaking. Much like Rathergate, let's wait and see where the chips fall or do you really think its impossible that the Clinton team (whether authorised from the top or not and I would assume plausible denialibility is the gudiing mantra over there) could not conduct such reserach and plant such inuendo?

Impossible? Certainly not.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
What I wouldn't find odd is that her team (again, whether authorised by her or not, and I assume plausbile denialibility) would use the right wing media to source this shit. It gives them more cover to claim plausible deniability. Us, talk to those RW rags!?!!? Never. And sheeple would tend to believe this.

Certainly you are not naive enough to think that this shite doesn't go on, are you?

If you want Democratic primary voters to see a smear, getting into Insight or NRO is an odd choice. As it letting the outlet that runs it source the leak to you. If you're not getting some assurance of anonymity, they're going to burn you, as they did here, which kinda defeats the purposes of going to the wingers in the first place.

OTOH, the wingers get to burn both Obama and HRC with this. A two-fer!