Waiting for Fitzgerald

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
spanky. i love you, and you know that. But those guys think you're an idiot. So when you say I lose that means I win.

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I may be an idiot, but I know enough to know when to defer to the experts. I believe in intelligent design.

However, when it comes to the sciences, the scientists should deside what goes into those subjects. It seems only in Biology that such an idea is disputed. Physicists decide what is taught in Physicis class, Chemists decide what is tought in Chemistry class, why not the same for Biology?

Evolution is a fact. However, other questions like, did man evolve from the Apes or did all complex life on the planet evolve from single celled animals, 99.9% percent of the Biology PHDs from acredited schools agree that such events took place.

Sometimes Biologists and geneticists disagree about certain aspects of evolution, and religious people take those disputes trying to say that because there is an argument some Biologists and Geneticists don't believe in evolution. That is disengenuous.

Until there is at least ten percent of Geneticists and Biologists that disagree with the concept that man evolved from the Apes or that all complicated life forms evolved from singles cell animals, then that is what should be taught in Biology class.

Science education is too important to the future of this country to be left to amateurs or to be fiddled with by politicians with different agendas. If our children are not educated in the basic concept of evolution then many will eventually lose Biology based jobs to Indians and Chinese students that were.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
The World Is Flat it is then. I am about a third of the way through it. I am game for a Collapse field trip to the Natural History Museum (conveniently located relatively close to my work). I believe that the exhibit runs through February, but I will double check. I believe I will be able to drag Mr Man along (you likely don't know his work; he is an infrequent Fashion Board poster). Maybe Gattigap too if he is into that sort of thing. Gatti?

I may or may not know fringey, she may or may not live in Los Angeles and she may or may not want to accompany us to the museum. Fringey is nothing if not mysterious. I do my best not to speak for her. Riddle wrapped in a ... yadda yadda yadda.


ETA: It runs until January 17 - http://www.nhm.org/exhibitions/collapse/

OK.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
spanky. i love you, and you know that. But those guys think you're an idiot. So when you say I lose that means I win.

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I love you too Hank, but don't you agree that the PB has become to civil? Is this partly my fault? Everyone is being nice to eachother and it is making the board a lot less fun to read.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Spanky
I may be an idiot, but I know enough to know when to defer to the experts. I believe in intelligent design.

However, when it comes to the sciences, the scientists should deside what goes into those subjects. It seems only in Biology that such an idea is disputed. Physicists decide what is taught in Physicis class, Chemists decide what is tought in Chemistry class, why not the same for Biology?

Evolution is a fact. However, other questions like, did man evolve from the Apes or did all complex life on the planet evolve from single celled animals, 99.9% percent of the Biology PHDs from acredited schools agree that such events took place.

Sometimes Biologists and geneticists disagree about certain aspects of evolution, and religious people take those disputes trying to say that because there is an argument some Biologists and Geneticists don't believe in evolution. That is disengenuous.

Until there is at least ten percent of Geneticists and Biologists that disagree with the concept that man evolved from the Apes or that all complicated life forms evolved from singles cell animals, then that is what should be taught in Biology class.

Science education is too important to the future of this country to be left to amateurs or to be fiddled with by politicians with different agendas. If our children are not educated in the basic concept of evolution then many will eventually lose Biology based jobs to Indians and Chinese students that were.

you can't post http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/sho...454#post218454 then try and take me to task on some science point ever. You have no cred at all ever in science.

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[Ty@50]

Originally posted by cheval de frise
SHP, soup and balt already laid out the theory. The protocol requires an understanding of which specific mutations have which (cumulative) effects, often at different points in a biochemical and developmental cascade. One has to correlate phenotypic effects with specific genetic changes, understand what direct effect (if any) those changes have on gene expression (i.e., level/developmental timing/duration), regulatory feedback loops, resultant protein sequences and conformational consequences (protein folding is a four-dimensional process)...and so on. These are complex questions but they do have answers. Geneticists and biochemists are working on all of these problems now. As other posters have said, the probability that a SINGLE mutation could be responsible for the development of an entire organ is zero. Scientists are sequencing and deciphering non-human genomes as we type. The mouse genome was published recently, as was (I believe) the chimpanzee genome. Comparative genetics has already provided significant insights. We have a plan for getting the information that will answer your specific question, and are going about obtaining that information...unlike proponents of certain alternative "theories."

By the way, evolution is a fact, not a theory, at least at the micro level. Scientists have directly observed and altered the characteristics of lab bacteria by manipulating their environments over thousands of successive generations. One can selectively "evolve" bacteria that tolerate certain poisons or do not need certain nutrients. Natural processes have also resulted in such organisms. Blind cavefish with vestigial eyes are on the path towards ridding themselves of those organs. Once a transposon-driven (or direct) mutation inactivates the gene(s) responsible for ocular structural development -- and that mutation doesn't result in negative selective pressure because their environment doesn't require eyes -- eyeless cavefish will appear in increased numbers proportional to the overall population (known in human genetics as "the founder effect"). It's a messy process. There is evidence that certain attributes have evolved more than once, then died out as other, more beneficial mutations confer additional advantages in populations not having the original mutation. Environment plays a gigantic role. There are multiple false starts. At the end of the day, though, it is fairly clear how the overall process works. The biochemical details simply take a lot of parallel work (and computer power) to figure out.

Ramen.

CDF (on the one day I happen to visit the board for old times' sake, y'all have a GENETICS discussion???? I'm having flashbacks to MY prior professional life.)

(Edited to fix formatting)

even by my time we all realize this is meaningless waste of electrons.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Spanky
What I don't get is why doesn't the water on the surface just drain away into the center of the earth. The water on the surface of the earth is really thin. It is only five miles at the deepeest point and that is nothing compared to how far it is to the center of the earth. If the earth where a basketbal the oceans would be a fine mist on the surface.

So why doesn't the water just drain through the cracks?

Fuck. Good question. It probably just keeps draining through the earth until it comes out on the other side. Maybe this is where rivers come from?

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Fuck. Good question. It probably just keeps draining through the earth until it comes out on the other side. Maybe this is where rivers come from?

Or geysers.

Rock is more dense than water.

But not as dense as spanky, which causes me to wonder why he hasn't sunk to the middle of the earth.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Fuck. Good question. It probably just keeps draining through the earth until it comes out on the other side.

Dude. think about it. If it did that what would happen when it gets to the other side? That's right it would flow right back to the first side. It would be like a Slinky. The fish would be all nauseous.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
These simpletons say that single-celled animals evolved into everytihng. I ask, focused example now, how does a single celled animal that splits to reproduce become Sebastian Dangerfield who has a penis that ejects fertilizing sperm, usually into Kleenex, but on occasion into a mate, and someday resulting in offspring.

What possible mutation could cause that change? And how would we test? Becuase these ideolouges are saying you can't mention creationism in schools because it solely relies on the untestable.

Whose creationism?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
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You still haven't proven the existence of God, nor that there is only one.

179-14.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
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You've double-counted the last three.

Still 179-14.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
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(and when you criticize spelling, you are starting to hurt people's image of RT and I'm not going to stand here and let that happen.)

That was a triple-count. I'm going to have to start assessing penalty strokes.

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[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by taxwonk
You still haven't proven the existence of God, nor that there is only one.

179-14.

Would you find me the post where I said there was 1? Any?

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[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Spanky
I may be an idiot, but I know enough to know when to defer to the experts. I believe in intelligent design.

However, when it comes to the sciences, the scientists should deside what goes into those subjects. It seems only in Biology that such an idea is disputed. Physicists decide what is taught in Physicis class, Chemists decide what is tought in Chemistry class, why not the same for Biology?

Evolution is a fact. However, other questions like, did man evolve from the Apes or did all complex life on the planet evolve from single celled animals, 99.9% percent of the Biology PHDs from acredited schools agree that such events took place.

Sometimes Biologists and geneticists disagree about certain aspects of evolution, and religious people take those disputes trying to say that because there is an argument some Biologists and Geneticists don't believe in evolution. That is disengenuous.

Until there is at least ten percent of Geneticists and Biologists that disagree with the concept that man evolved from the Apes or that all complicated life forms evolved from singles cell animals, then that is what should be taught in Biology class.

Science education is too important to the future of this country to be left to amateurs or to be fiddled with by politicians with different agendas. If our children are not educated in the basic concept of evolution then many will eventually lose Biology based jobs to Indians and Chinese students that were.

Not for nothing, but at one time 99% of scientists believed the sun revolved around the earth and that the earth was flat.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
It hits rock eventually. Not my field, but through the magic of Google we learn that there is a large flow of water through the outer layer of the ocean floor, and thus there is an equilibrium set up - water moves down through the rock and at a certain depth, the heat from the earth's core drives it up again - or sideways, or whatever.

There are certain environmental challenges to mapping this flow - like it's friggin' cold down there and the pressure is enough to squeeze you into a lump the size of Karl Rove's heart.

Good question, though.

Okay, you had me up to the very end. That last lie gave you away.