Politics As Usual

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
think of your family like a car. Someone must be behind the wheel, and only one. Would you make it so no Islamic people can become a Judge?

Marriage is a growing thing, a constant learning relationship. It's more like the driver's ed car.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Marriage is a growing thing, a constant learning relationship. It's more like the driver's ed car.

If you were my wife, now would be the time for a not-hard beating.

[Say_hello_for_me]

but I mentioned a week or two ago that there was a very good article on Fallujah as the cover-story. There is a follow-up on the guy on Cnn.com today.

I'd generally suggest that it's extremely relevant material to anybody trying to understand what we are facing. [insert then delete editorial comments]

Hello

[Tyrone Slothrop]

This is just sickening stuff:

• He spent half a year stationed at Abu Ghraib. Today, 5 months later, we meet him in Heidelberg. His superiors have strictly forbidden him to speak to journalists about what he experienced in Abu Ghraib. But Provance wants to talk about it nevertheless. His conscience troubles him. He discusses a 16-year old he handled:
  
  "He was very afraid, very alone. He had the thinnest arms I had ever seen. His whole body trembled. His wrists were so thin we couldn't put handcuffs on him. As I saw him for the first time and led him to the interrogation, I felt sorry. The interrogation specialists threw water over him and put him into a car, drove him around through the extremely cold night. Afterwards, they covered him with mud and showed him to his imprisoned father, on whom they'd tried other interrogation methods.
  They hadn't been able to get him to speak, though. The interrogation specialists told me that after the father saw his son in this condition, his heart was broken, he started crying, and he promised to tell them anything they wanted."

Link to this and more re the abuse and detention of children in Iraq.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
Your point is that Republicans were behind the whole "40 acres and a mule" thing?

he meant the Crusades.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
he meant the Crusades.

The Crusades were about redistribution of income? It seems to me it was a bunch of rich people living off poor peasants as they rode through Europe to attack the infid . . . uh, I mean, Constantinople.

[Watchtower]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
The Crusades were about redistribution of income? It seems to me it was a bunch of rich people living off poor peasants as they rode through Europe to attack the infid . . . uh, I mean, Constantinople.

The Crusades were a papist plot to distract people from the wretched, conflict ridden state of the major polity of the west by invading the Middle East.

Slave and his brethern among the Rs are quite familar with such things.

[the Spartan]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Holy shit, dude. Was that a substantive, incisive, analytical post by Penske? What is this, bizarro world?!?! Either that, or we've found Bilmore.

I like to keep you hacks on your toes. Speaking of hacks, this barnstorming of Kerry and Edwards has me fully convinced that the dems are going down and going down hard. Looking at the pics of these two clowns, I can only imagine that if Jefferson or Madison or any of the other founders were to come back and experience the bs that their descendants in the Democrat party toss around, they would head straight back to England and plant on a big old kiss right on the Queen's carbunkled ass!

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
This is just sickening stuff:

• He spent half a year stationed at Abu Ghraib. Today, 5 months later, we meet him in Heidelberg. His superiors have strictly forbidden him to speak to journalists about what he experienced in Abu Ghraib. But Provance wants to talk about it nevertheless. His conscience troubles him. He discusses a 16-year old he handled:
  
  "He was very afraid, very alone. He had the thinnest arms I had ever seen. His whole body trembled. His wrists were so thin we couldn't put handcuffs on him. As I saw him for the first time and led him to the interrogation, I felt sorry. The interrogation specialists threw water over him and put him into a car, drove him around through the extremely cold night. Afterwards, they covered him with mud and showed him to his imprisoned father, on whom they'd tried other interrogation methods.
  They hadn't been able to get him to speak, though. The interrogation specialists told me that after the father saw his son in this condition, his heart was broken, he started crying, and he promised to tell them anything they wanted."

Link to this and more re the abuse and detention of children in Iraq.

Why, Ty, why don't you understand - this is all just fraternity prank-type stuff. Anyway, these people were acting on their own - and even if they weren't, international laws and conventions don't apply to us.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Why, Ty, why don't you understand - this is all just fraternity prank-type stuff.

As a father, I can say that if someone pulled this shit with my son, I would be driven to violence.

[the Spartan]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
As a father, I can say that if someone pulled this shit with my son, I would be driven to violence.

1. A 16 year old is not a "child".

2. If you are really that concerned then I would suggest that you take a more active interest as to what kind of shit the local police in places like SF and Oakland pull on 16 year old and younger inner city kids in the name of protecting the public. On your tax dollars. The type of ritualized abuse of rights that every major metropolitan police force engages in concerns far more than what happens in an war zone.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by the Spartan
1. A 16 year old is not a "child".

2. If you are really that concerned then I would suggest that you take a more active interest as to what kind of shit the local police in places like SF and Oakland pull on 16 year old and younger inner city kids in the name of protecting the public. On your tax dollars. The type of ritualized abuse of rights that every major metropolitan police force engages in concerns far more than what happens in an war zone.

[ASIDE]Since you seem to be troubled by what happens in Oakland, maybe we should have devoted more federal resources to fixing what's wrong there instead of embarking on an expensive frolic to make Iraq into a different kind of pit. Or maybe your idea of doing something about this "type of ritualized abuse of rights" that troubles you so is to post the latest pictures of Hillary and Kerry? What, exactly, is any Republican that you can think of willing to do to make Oakland a better place for children? Arnold is the flavor of the minute, and he's not exactly helping.

You don't really need to respond to those questions if -- as I suspect -- you are invoking San Francisco and Oakland simply to change the subject.[/ASIDE]

What they did to this kid they did to get to his father. They were trying to get the father to talk, so they abused his children. That's barbaric. That shit doesn't happen in San Francisco, it doesn't happen in Oakland, and we shouldn't be doing it in Iraq.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by the Spartan
1. A 16 year old is not a "child".

2. If you are really that concerned then I would suggest that you take a more active interest as to what kind of shit the local police in places like SF and Oakland pull on 16 year old and younger inner city kids in the name of protecting the public. On your tax dollars. The type of ritualized abuse of rights that every major metropolitan police force engages in concerns far more than what happens in an war zone.

Ahem. Everyone would have a breaking point with teenagers who haven't been supervised for 10 or 12 years, if ever. The police are merely you and I in uniforms, and hopefully without a history of Republican drug abuse.

That said, end the war on the poor, and we'd end a huge amount of innocent suffering in this nation.

Of course, I'm still indifferent if addicts are taken out back and shot.

Hello

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
What they did to this kid they did to get to his father.

No kidding. I read the excerpt and expected it to be followed by Bruce Willis pulling off the handgun that's taped to his back and going medieval on the cocksucker who's mistreating his kid.

Then I realized that this little morality play set-piece has somehow gone awry, with the characters somehow reversed.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
What they did to this kid they did to get to his father.

do you blame Rumsfeld for the naked pixs of Kerry's daughter?