A disgusting vat of filth that no self-respecting intelligent person would wade into.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
what does the chart even mean? my average minimum temperature was not 0 to -10.

I expect it refers to the expected lowest yearly temperature. (i.e. the temperature a perennial plant should be able to survive to thrive in that band.)

S_A_M

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Indeed.

• The Know Nothing movement was a nativist American political movement of the 1850s. It grew up as a popular reaction to fears that major cities were being overwhelmed by Irish Catholic immigrants whom they regarded as hostile to American values and controlled by the Pope in Rome.
  
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  The biggest fear was that Catholics would undermine American democracy by creating a political network controlled by the Pope in Rome through Catholic bishops and priests. They argued that the strong allegiance of Roman Catholics to the Pope ran counter to democratic values.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_nothing_party

If I were to make an evenhanded assessment of the net gain American society's realized from me, I'd have to say those bastards had the right idea. Dead wrong on the reasoning, but nobody's perfect.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
not a test run. they were trying to create a media incident so they could show the American people how crazy people are reacting to the threat of terrorism. Their problem is that a huge percentage of America completely understands that these guys should have been yanked.

Exactly. I don't think they were doing a dry run. I think they were atrocious assholes. What they did, which Slave described accurately, was the equivalent of me getting on a plane with buddies and talking loudly about a suicide pact and cracking wise about whether we'd used "enough plastic explosive for the 'you know what.'" You and I would be jailed for that. These people deserve to be banned from air travel, period. The airlines have the right to do that and should do so. Their dress and their religion hasn't got shit to do with it. They wanted to provoke people. They did. That's the isue. Caveat fucking emptor.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Read the fine print:

Fig. 1 assumes annual temperatures shown to have increased of the period graphed have risen for each of the years represented and are incapable of falling. See "The Myth of Environmental Cycles" (2001) and "The Impossibility of Regression in any Given Snapshot of Global Warming" (2003), Von Phephler, Berkeley Press.

I can neither find that fine print anywhere or figure out what you think it means.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Read the fine print:

Fig. 1 assumes annual temperatures shown to have increased of the period graphed have risen for each of the years represented and are incapable of falling. See "The Myth of Environmental Cycles" (2001) and "The Impossibility of Regression in any Given Snapshot of Global Warming" (2003), Von Phephler, Berkeley Press.

Tell it to the palm trees growing in McLean, mac.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Do you permit your employees to wear clothing to work?
Have you found that allowing them to wear clothing has forced you to permit the elderly secretaries to wear bikinis in the office?

S_A_M

Great retort. I'm in awe.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
(a) You do realize that you are in one of the most politically active AND left leaning areas in America? of course you see more of that stuff then most other people will.

Don't fall prey to Bilmore disease -- where he used his experience in Minnesota battling the local DFLP as his prism on the political world.

If you want to see loads of anti-Clinton bumper stickers -- go to say North Carolina -- particularly around military bases.

(b) I'm amazed that you seem to truly believe this. I think you're blindered. In my experience, the anti-Bill Clinton stuff was about on par with the anti-Bush stuff -- even without an unpopular war.

The anti-Hillary material will be brutal.

S_A_M

That's the saddest thing of her candidacy. What the country needs right now is a true centrist, and nobody - noboyd in his right mind - believes she is actually one. That her husband was basically a moderate republican is not proof she would be. Keep in mind they can't stand each other, and when she opened her mouth about universal health care and freaked everyone out during Bubba's first term, he had her jailed in the basement of the White House for a year.

She could win with the health care thing, and if she does, the furor will literally tear apart any remaining semblance of honesty and sensibility left in politics after the present liar's damage.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Eggplant is the most vile vegetable on this or any other planet. I wouldn't eat it for money.

an eggplant is not a vegetable.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I expect it refers to the expected lowest yearly temperature. (i.e. the temperature a perennial plant should be able to survive to thrive in that band.)

S_A_M

Then why use the word "average?" Words have meanings.

And did they just look at 2006 and 1990? That would seem rather meaningless as to Ty's point, and actually quite a dangerous thing for gardeners to trust.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
an eggplant is not a vegetable.

Great retourt! I'm in awe.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Then why use the word "average?" Words have meanings.

And did they just look at 2006 and 1990?

They're obviously looking at the average annual low, across some number of years. Words have meanings, and you're being obtuse.

Note also, that the people who put this map out did so to guide people planting trees, not to make a point about global warming.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I blame those pussy plants. They've gotten soft. Can't take the cold like they used to.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Apparently, Washington DC has been reclassified as a southern city for purposes of the plants its climate will support.

Where's the 2007 update?

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
They're obviously looking at the average annual low, across some number of years. Words have meanings, and you're being obtuse.

Note also, that the people who put this map out did so to guide people planting trees, not to make a point about global warming.

Damnit. This remined me that yesterday was the last day of the sale over at Blue Stone Perennials, and I never got my order in.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
They're obviously looking at the average annual low, across some number of years. Words have meanings, and you're being obtuse.

when you start talking about things that involve math you start losing, did you realize that?

there is no explanation of what they mean by average. the chart says "recent years." 2? 5? 10? and what was the original chart based upon? 100 years? you can't tell anything from it w/o knowing all of this. the last 2 years could have been warmer than average, or less extreme, since your guess is that the chart only looks to the extreme.

I can tell you this, Al Gore in his most extreme moments would not claim that the United States has increased in temperature by 10 degrees since 1990.