Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Have you read much about our sex/HIV education in Africa?

Yeah, actually. And (i) US sponsored sex/HIV education in Africa is inconsistent and all fucked up by the abstinence loons and (ii) with all due respect to Africans, this isn't Africa and we aren't Africans.

Now, if you want to make the argument that, in the third world, sex/HIV education is of limited value in places where a majority of the population (a) is far more worried about eating and not getting killed than learning nifty safe sex tips, (b) doesn't have even the most basic education (and, un-PC though it may be to point it out, may be so malnourished as to be mentally limited, see (a) above), (c) has no access to condoms even if they did somehow manage to get and understand the educational message, and (d) is led by self-serving ignornant tribal leaders to reject educational efforts and/or believe they are really an evil plot against them by colonialist westerners, I'd probably agree with you. The main problem there isn't that education itself doesn't help, it's that education is not that useful in the face of overwhelming poverty, corruption, ignorance and/or backward cultural attitudes.

But I thought we were talking about the US.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I see your point but the problem here is the Admin had a rogue husband-wife team using their government offices to fraudulently attempt to discredit administration policy in furtherance of national security. They had to be neutralised. At any cost. Thankfully Rove et al had the nads to undertake the mission despite the inevitable media frenzy that could result.

The blame should be appropriately placed with the Plames.

ETA: It's too bad we were not in the good old days when the Plames could have been strategically removed from their positions to ensure national security.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Serious question for you, Slave, and bilmore.

Let's assume that you are right about everything -- Wilson's partisan motivation, that he lied, that Plame picked him for the mission because she wanted to set the Admin up, etc.

It is not disputed that Plame had non-official cover at one point in time, and was "employed" by a company that was a CIA front.

Let's assume that someone in the Admin (doesn't have to be Karl Rove) told Novak and Cooper and others that Wilson was a liar and that they should assess his motivation becuase his wife set him up on the mission. Let's assume that the statute wasn't broken by this act.

Even assuming all that you assert is true, we still have a front company whose cover has been blown, along with the cover of every CIA person who has worked there, and every foreign source who provided information to the CIA via that front company. I am sure that Russian intelligence and Chinese intelligence and French intelligence and every other country in the world that has reason to keep an eye on us for business or security reasons (or vice versa) has now rolled up any then-current activities related to this front, and are going back and figuring out all of the past covert activities they did.

Was it worth it? And would you be so sanguine about it if it were the Clinton Administration that flipped a CIA front company and all of the agents operating through it because they didn't like the comments an agent's wife or husband made about sending US forces into Bosnia (which was, as you may recall, a rather partisan dispute)?

For some perspective, let's all recall that Niger was not supplying Iraq with yellowcake, that the White House and CIA have already acknowledged that the suggestion to the contrary was in error, and that Wilson was correct in challenging the White House line.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I would guess that the women in my group had more abortions than the average. Or maybe I just hung out with sluts.

So women who get abortions are sluts? Nice.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Molly Ivins corrects herself on Saddam's casualties:

Yay! We've killed fewer Iraqis (so far) than Saddam Hussein!

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
So women who get abortions are sluts? Nice.

Translation: Could you introduce me?

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
They had to be neutralised. At any cost.

You have got to be kidding. Assuming they had to be neutralized, was this the least-cost way of doing so? Methinks not.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Spanky
A guy spends five pages in a nationally distributed magazine to attack an article I spent a lot of time and effort putting together and this is all the sympahty I get.

I think it's sort of funny that they called you a liberal. Now you know how it feels.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
You have got to be kidding. Assuming they had to be neutralized, was this the least-cost way of doing so? Methinks not.

My follow up post noted that I lament that they could not have been neutralised in a more strategic manner.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
My follow up post noted that I lament that they could not have been neutralised in a more strategic manner.

Ah, I see now that you admit that Rove is too much of a pussy to do the real wet work.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I see your point but the problem here is the Admin had a rogue husband-wife team using their government offices to fraudulently attempt to discredit administration policy in furtherance of national security. They had to be neutralised. At any cost. Thankfully Rove et al had the nads to undertake the mission despite the inevitable media frenzy that could result.

The blame should be appropriately placed with the Plames.

This would be a good story if it were actually true. The truth is that Cooper called Rove to discuss welfare reform. Towards the end of the call, Cooper turned the subject to WMD, and Rove, knowing that Tenet was going to be giving a press conference that day on the subject, warned Cooper not to go to far out on a limb on the Wilson story. This was not a hit.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Ah, I see now that you admit that Rove is too much of a pussy to do the real wet work.

Unfortunately the Church Commission has left the government impotent to properly deal with such problems. Church was a demo, right?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sgtclub
This would be a good story if it were actually true. The truth is that Cooper called Rove to discuss welfare reform. Towards the end of the call, Cooper turned the subject to WMD, and Rove, knowing that Tenet was going to be giving a press conference that day on the subject, warned Cooper not to go to far out on a limb on the Wilson story. This was not a hit.

Merde, I forget the cover stor.......talking poin.......uh. 2!

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
For some perspective, let's all recall that Niger was not supplying Iraq with yellowcake, that the White House and CIA have already acknowledged that the suggestion to the contrary was in error, and that Wilson was correct in challenging the White House line.

Dissent. See the Lord Butler report.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
So women who get abortions are sluts? Nice.

It was a joke. Lighten up.