Politics As Usual

[captain marvelous]

hey facists repukelicans, check this out, a page from bush/cheney handbooks on how to govern:

"It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

sounds about right or does it?

in reality it's a quote from one of the neo-cons ideological predecessors, hermann goering. you sick fuckers deserve each other and your fourth reichh.

[The Larry Davis Experience]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...q_insurgency_2

Interesting article on Yahoo about the size of the insurrection and how its being fought. If this is accurate, then I'm about ready for Americans to leave too. If its just nationalism, then it sounds sorta like what I'd hope a lot of Americans would do if the roles were reversed. Well, and if the Iraqis were dragging their feet on allowing us to have elections etc....

Regarding how to fight an insurgency, please note the penultimate paragraph. You heard that thinking here first. 9 months ago. You wanna track people? Make em carry id cards and build giant databases.

Hello

Good article. The bit about the part-time insurgents reminded me of back when the PB was focused on the unemployment rate for a while. When do the analysts count a fighter as discouraged and thus out of the insurgent workforce?

Initially when I read your I-told-you-so at the end there I thought you were posting this article I read today about Fallujah. Apparently the Iraqi security force we gave control to hasn't done much of a job breaking up the terorrist networks there so now it's a safe haven for the insurgents, including the dread pirate Zarqawi. Sounds like the coalition wishes it had more offensive options besides waiting for the formation of an Iraqi force of sufficient size and training to clean house in there. It'll be interesting to see if the military commanders try to go back on the deal, and how loudly the govt would yelp if they do. The crap about our troops not being able to return fire is pretty astonishing.

[Atticus Grinch]

US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) walks away from a briefing with the media, refusing to answer questions after he was asked about Enron and the reported indictment of former CEO Kenneth Lay, who was a close adviser and fund-raiser for Bush and his father, earning him the presidential nickname of 'Kenny Boy.'(AFP/Paul J. Richards)

Link.

Krusty: [surrounded by reporters] No, this slide is perfectly safe. This was an isolated incident.
Kent Brockman: I understand that, Krusty . . . [lost in the reporters' yelling] Krusty! Wasn't that exactly what you said just before the recall of tainted 'Krusty Brand Mayonnaise'?
Krusty: Now, Kent, you know that question is out of bounds! This interview is over.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I meant "thinks he's a chick."
Atticus, in perhaps the funniest post ever, said "pretending to be."
I believe tis is the more standard school of thought.

Oh, I see. Well, I'm not as funny or google-proficient as Atticus. And damned if I'm not regular!

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
really I'm trying to get a sense from ty if he sees any 1A limits in this situation. The absolutist position is an easy one in principle.

The endless hypothesizing and questioning is even easier.

[Hank Chinaski]

http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=22844

Google for clinton and heclers removed, and you need not go all the way back to 2000. bush is so crazed he's having hecklers removed from Clinton speeches now!

Debate was also a focus of Clinton's speech as she said dissenting voices have been unfairly labeled in light of recent events.

"I am sick and tired of people who call you unpatriotic if you disagree with this administration's policies!" Clinton said

yeah. but i have a question. Can i ask .....No!

Despite a few hecklers who were removed by security, audience members received Clinton's speech enthusiastically with cheering and a standing ovation
My god the level of journalism at our elite institutions. thos e2 paragraphs were within 20 words of each other. And hill has the "conspiracy bug!

Clinton also said the Bush administration is seeking to turn back the clock on issues like education and the environment. She said the President secretly wants to do away with public education and Medicare, as well as undo the work of Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Ty. WTF? You never brought up the "get rid of public education thing." asleep at the switch?

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Whether or not it was a public forum, it was a government actor, and a content-based restriction.

Your 1st amendment analysis is off. If federal employees wears a T-shirt that is considered disruptive, the employee can be told to remove it or leave and thus be restricted in his or her expression by the government and it is not a violation of the first amendment. The issue is whether the forum is a public or designated public forum.

I don't think that under the cases interpreting the 1st amendment that event qualifies as a public forum or even a designated public forum. If it is not a public forum or a designated public forum, it doesn't matter that the action was by a government actor (see my hypo above about the federal employees right to wear a T-shirt to work.)

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by captain marvelous
hey facists repukelicans, check this out, a page from bush/cheney handbooks on how to govern:

"It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

sounds about right or does it?

in reality it's a quote from one of the neo-cons ideological predecessors, hermann goering. you sick fuckers deserve each other and your fourth reichh.

Its also the 4th time posted here, which means.... you should post more often.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by The Larry Davis Experience
this article

Hey, that was the one I was talking about yesterday on CNN.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=22844

Google for clinton and heclers removed, and you need not go all the way back to 2000. bush is so crazed he's having hecklers removed from Clinton speeches now!

Debate was also a focus of Clinton's speech as she said dissenting voices have been unfairly labeled in light of recent events.

"I am sick and tired of people who call you unpatriotic if you disagree with this administration's policies!" Clinton said

yeah. but i have a question. Can i ask .....No!

Despite a few hecklers who were removed by security, audience members received Clinton's speech enthusiastically with cheering and a standing ovation
My god the level of journalism at our elite institutions. thos e2 paragraphs were within 20 words of each other. And hill has the "conspiracy bug!

Clinton also said the Bush administration is seeking to turn back the clock on issues like education and the environment. She said the President secretly wants to do away with public education and Medicare, as well as undo the work of Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Ty. WTF? You never brought up the "get rid of public education thing." asleep at the switch?

Burger and Not Me seem to think it's OK to remove hecklers from private fundraisers. Take it up with them. The folks I posted about weren't heckling anyone, and were at a government-funded event.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
fucking with

I cock-blocked you.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Burger and Not Me seem to think it's OK to remove hecklers from private fundraisers. Take it up with them. The folks I posted about weren't heckling anyone, and were at a government-funded event.

but the one guy was violating federal law. can't let him near TPOTUS.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Me
Your 1st amendment analysis is off. If federal employees wears a T-shirt that is considered disruptive, the employee can be told to remove it or leave and thus be restricted in his or her expression by the government and it is not a violation of the first amendment. The issue is whether the forum is a public or designated public forum.

I don't think that under the cases interpreting the 1st amendment that event qualifies as a public forum or even a designated public forum. If it is not a public forum or a designated public forum, it doesn't matter that the action was by a government actor (see my hypo above about the federal employees right to wear a T-shirt to work.)

By your reasoning, if you are riding BART wearing a pro-Bush shirt, BART police can make you cover it up since BART is not a public forum. I don't think so. Find me a cite for the proposition that content-based restrictions enforced by government actors are OK outside public fora.

[Atticus Grinch]

• Q Does the President feel that he had enough information about weapons to take this nation to war?
  
  MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I think you heard directly from the President earlier today in the Oval Office, following his meeting with Prime Minister Oddsson. The President talked about how Saddam Hussein was a threat. It was a threat that was real --
  
  Q -- was a threat how?
  
  MR. McCLELLAN: Well, we have learned since going into Iraq and removing that regime from power that the regime certainly had the intent and capability when it comes to weapons of mass destruction --
  
  Q What do you mean by intent?
  
  MR. McCLELLAN: Well, the Iraq Survey Group, that was previously headed by David Kay and is now headed by Charles Duelfer, has looked into the issues and showed that Saddam Hussein was in serious and clear violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441. That resolution, you'll recall, called for serious consequences if Saddam Hussein --
  
  Q It didn't call for war.
  
  MR. McCLELLAN: It gave him one final opportunity to comply, or face serious consequences if he continued to defy the international community. And the world is better off without Saddam Hussein in power.
  
  Q Do you know how vague you sound on that?
  
  MR. McCLELLAN: And you heard that directly from the President of the United States earlier today.

Cite.

Does McClellan have a speed setting other than "The President has spoken very clearly on this subject in the past, and I believe his vague generalities and platitudes are the best response for me to refer to rather than respond to your specific, probing questions. Next?"

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by captain marvelous
hey facists repukelicans, check this out, a page from bush/cheney handbooks on how to govern:

"It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

sounds about right or does it?

in reality it's a quote from one of the neo-cons ideological predecessors, hermann goering. you sick fuckers deserve each other and your fourth reichh.

Penske, this is pretty clever. In another 999 posts, it'll balance out your right-wing crap (assuming you've retired all of those socks).