All Hank, all the time.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Yes, but fat people are ugly. Smokers look cool.

See?

Disclosure: Yes, I do realize in this instance, that Sidd was being facetious.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
It was on this douchebag's watch that the current President of Iran - so enamoured by Mike Warrace and the Kossacks - led the "students" that raided the US Embassy and took all those Americans hostages:

Say what you will about the retired GRF, GHWB or WHC, but none of these former POTUS' are an embarrassment to this country.

Carter is an embarrassing and deplorable piece of fucking shit.

The embarrassment here is calling an ex-president a "douchebag" and a "piece of shit" because you disagree with him. What have conservatives done do traditional civility?

Seymour Hersh reported in this week's New Yorker that Israel had planned the aerial campaign against Hezbollah earlier this year and cleared it with the U.S. (no surprise -- they went to Cheney first) in advance. Did you think they were just improvising after those soldiers got kidnapped? Please. Do you think that it's out to lunch to say that we encouraged Israel?

Carter is far from the only person who thinks that Israel's response was disproportionate and unwise. Now that the dust is settling, we can see that the effects of Israel's campaign were to trash a good amount of Lebanon, strengthen Hezbollah politically in a huge way, and enlarge the UN peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon. Two months ago, are any of those results that Israel would want at all, let alone at the costs it incurred?

Friends point out when friends screw up. Israel screwed up.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
What Dingell said is that Hezbollah has a measure of political influence and that the Arab community in Lebanon views it as having some legitimacy, therefore, if there is going to be a negotiated peace, Hezbollah will need to have a place at the table. He also condemned their acts of terrorism. He said nothing more, and nothing less.

You're sounding like junior high, when it wasn't enough to just be one of the cool kids, you had to badmouth the dorks to stay cool.

How come Hitler and Tojo were not invited to Yalta? Certainly the Germans and the Japanese, respectively, would have said that their representatives voice in deciding the shape of the post war world was essential, more or less. Why did we cut these people's legitimate voices off?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
How come Hitler and Tojo were not invited to Yalta?

The more interesting question is, why did Germany and Japan not develop insurgencies that continued to fight after their militaries were beaten?

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop

The embarrassment here is calling an ex-president a "douchebag" and a "piece of shit" because you disagree with him. What have conservatives done do traditional civility?

Seymour Hersh reported in this week's New Yorker that Israel had planned the aerial campaign against Hezbollah earlier this year and cleared it with the U.S. (no surprise -- they went to Cheney first) in advance. Did you think they were just improvising after those soldiers got kidnapped? Please. Do you think that it's out to lunch to say that we encouraged Israel?

Carter is far from the only person who thinks that Israel's response was disproportionate and unwise. Now that the dust is settling, we can see that the effects of Israel's campaign were to trash a good amount of Lebanon, strengthen Hezbollah politically in a huge way, and enlarge the UN peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon. Two months ago, are any of those results that Israel would want at all, let alone at the costs it incurred?

Friends point out when friends screw up. Israel screwed up.

1) Remember your snarky comment the next time Panda or Wonk makes a Bushit or Shrub comment

2) I'm surprised it took you this long to point out the Sy Hersh comment. In any event, I'm aware of his article. Just as I am aware of a number of staged events, doctored photos, and outright lies perpertrated by the MSM.

3) Israel's sole screw up was that it pretended to be the US - relying on air power instead of IDF boots on the grounds - instead of Israel.

4)Carter says the attack was "unjustified." Well perhaps as the dictator-coddling jackass that he his, he thinks its okay to sit back and watch while your borders are penetrated and your soldiers are killed. They also did not bomb "the entire nation of Lebanon" - this blatant hyperbole is solely geared to inflame.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
The more interesting question is, why did Germany and Japan not develop insurgencies that continued to fight after their militaries were beaten?

Because back in the 40's we were smart enough not to give prisoners of war copies of the Koran???

[Adder]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
this blatant hyperbole is solely geared to inflame.

Something you know a little bit about, eh?

[Penske_Account]

The embarrassment here is calling an ex-president a "douchebag" and a "piece of shit" because you disagree with him. What have conservatives done do traditional civility?
.

Clinton degraded the office by acting more like equal parts porn star and serial sexual abuser than President, and sadly the civility has never been recovered.

I read a rantblog on another part of the interwebs where the celebrated writer recently wrote a very compelling piece on "mental rape". Clinton's masturbating into the White House sink was a massive national mental rape, from which we are still suffering PTSD. I think Hank may have caught a lower level STD in the process too. No offence.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The more interesting question is, why did Germany and Japan not develop insurgencies that continued to fight after their militaries were beaten?

Perhaps all the insurgents were concentrated in Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Maybe we try the same tactics with the three Islamo-facist sites that have the largest identified groups of insurgents and see if that helps...

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore

1) Remember your snarky comment the next time Panda or Wonk makes a Bushit or Shrub comment.

I may even be intemperate myself. If I am, I blame conservatives for the end of the era of personal responsibility.

2) I'm surprised it took you this long to point out the Sy Hersh comment. In any event, I'm aware of his article. Just as I am aware of a number of staged events, doctored photos, and outright lies perpertrated by the MSM.

I think you are insinuating that Hersh is not to believed. Why? Israel is one of our closest allies. Do you have a hard time believing that they planned that campaign, or that they made sure to line up Cheney's support first?

3) Israel's sole screw up was that it pretended to be the US - relying on air power instead of IDF boots on the grounds - instead of Israel.

Things didn't go all that well once boots were on the ground. They may have expected to get resistance a la the Iraqi military, and instead got resistance a la the insurgency.

4)Carter says the attack was "unjustified." Well perhaps as the dictator-coddling jackass that he his, he thinks its okay to sit back and watch while your borders are penetrated and your soldiers are killed. They also did not bomb "the entire nation of Lebanon" - this blatant hyperbole is solely geared to inflame.

When he says "unjustified," I think it's patent that he is talking about the scope, not responding at all. If Carter thinks that Israel shouldn't have done anything, he is a douchebag, etc.

Have you seen damage estimates from Lebanon? The ones I've seen are from the Financial Times -- not usually accused of lefty bias.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Because back in the 40's we were smart enough not to give prisoners of war copies of the Koran???

It's not like the PLO is a religious organization. Hamas, yes, but Hamas is relatively new on the scene. For ~40 years (?), the Palestinian cause was more nationalist than religious.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The more interesting question is, why did Germany and Japan not develop insurgencies that continued to fight after their militaries were beaten?

America spoke with one voice and France was crushed?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I may even be intemperate myself. If I am, I blame conservatives for the end of the era of personal responsibility.

Clinton was a republican? Cite please.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton

I deplore this senseless shaking of hands, whoever it is.