Still Hating America.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
My silver lining: I'm chairing an event for Planned Parenthood later on this year. I suspect that getting donations and selling tickets for it will not be difficult.

They got my donations at the time states were passing the most appalling restrictions on abortion ----parental/father of child notices and consents.

(Not to bring Bilmore back to argue the pro-restriction side or anything).

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Search engine by zip code for donations to the primary races. Mitt Romney seems to be doing well around here.

Obama is dominating my zip code -- about 10:1.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I'm offering him an explanation for why legality may turn on the procedure used. If this has all become a line drawing exercise, then surely once a fetus has breached the line has been crossed.

Even if the fetus isn't viable yet?

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Obama is dominating my zip code -- about 10:1.

Mine is dominated by 50% John Edwards, 25% other democrats and 25% Republicans (Guliani and McCain a little more than Romney). Neighboring, more affluent zip codes really like Romney.

The data is a little misleading though. Obama apparently has a LOT of under $100 donors (including me). They're not going to end up on this chart.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Even if the fetus isn't viable yet?

But aren't there plenty of kids born at 6 months gestation who survive? Even 5 1/2, I thought.

[Adder]

Originally posted by sgtclub
If you don't believe at life at conception, surely you believe at life at birth?

Is it "birth" if the "baby" is not viable and is only being "born" through extraordinary medical procedures?

In other words, yes, of course I believe in life at birth. I'm just not sure that what defines birth the end of presence in the uterus.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
But aren't there plenty of kids born at 6 months gestation who survive? Even 5 1/2, I thought.

I don't really know. But to me that would be an argument in favor of banning abortion at that stage of pregnancy (that would be consistent with Roe), not an argument against this particular procedure.

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Obama is dominating my zip code -- about 10:1.

Someone in my zip code has apparently given about $4,000 to Giuliani - isn't the limit $2,300 per person?

I may have to make a citizen's arrest.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Even if the fetus isn't viable yet?

I never really bought in to the viability argument, because I think it's impractical. How do you know if the fetus if viable if you kill it before it has a chance to survive, especially as medical technology gets more and more advanced?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Adder

In other words, yes, of course I believe in life at birth. I'm just not sure that what defines birth the end of presence in the uterus.

By "birth" I mean exiting the vagina while not "dead."
I understand your point, but as I said before, this whole debate has become 1 big line drawing exercise, and it seems to me that my definition of birth is something everyone should be able to agree with.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sgtclub
By "birth" I mean exiting the vagina while not "dead."
I understand your point, but as I said before, this whole debate has become 1 big line drawing exercise, and it seems to me that my definition of birth is something everyone should be able to agree with.

my kids were both C-section. Can I, or the wife I guess, kill them still?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
my kids were both C-section. Can I, or the wife I guess, kill them still?

Of course.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sgtclub
it seems to me that my definition of birth is something everyone should be able to agree with.

Keep talking like that and you'll end up on the Supreme Court.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by sgtclub
By "birth" I mean exiting the vagina while not "dead."
I understand your point, but as I said before, this whole debate has become 1 big line drawing exercise, and it seems to me that my definition of birth is something everyone should be able to agree with.

I think that the only thing that people agree upon is that at some point, the fetus is more than a cluster of cells.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Obama is dominating my zip code -- about 10:1.

Giuliani and Obama.

And oddly, a lot of McCain.