Fashion Board 12-09-03 through 1-08-04

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Well, Atticus is curiously silent, but I think the critical difference is that an annulment doesn't count as far as the church is concerned. It's like it never happened. Which matters, since you can't get divorced.

So, since it's annulled, she has no 'splaining to do. Of course, if she got married in the little white chapel, it's not really a valid catholic wedding anyway, so she's still free to marry for the first time there.

but she has to say 50 hail marys first. and quit using birth control.

She filed for a civil annulment -meaning the marriage is legally void ab initio - thus no community property since the marriage never existed (admittedly I don't know if NV law provides otherwise, I'm spouting from memory of general family law). As far as Catholic church goes - if the church recognizes the marriage (and as CJ states, it may not as she wasn't married by a priest) she would have to file for a church annulment after the civil anulment is granted (same for a religious anulment after obtaining a civil divorce)

Next stop on Britany's attention seeking tour - a lesbian marriage in Massachusetts.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by leagleaze
That isn't the one that was introduced actually.

But here is the text of the one Hank quoted.

http://www.catholicplanet.com/cathol...t-marriage.htm


This is the one that was introduced:

FEDERAL MARRIAGE AMENDMENT (H.J.Res. 56)
Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman. Neither this constitution or the constitution of any state, nor state or federal law, shall be construed to require that marital status or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon unmarried couples or groups.


It impacts both marriage and domestic partnerships.

the Catholic Church is the source of the only true law, hence my cite.

[SlaveNoMore]

ThurgreedMarshall
Snoop Dogg is extreme because he's doing fucking AOL commercials for christsakes. He is a caricature of who he once was and is clearly only interested in cashing in. I think he's a joke (but that is neither here nor there).

If he's a joke, then what does that make Don "Magic" Juan?

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by evenodds
Now, I am back after more than two weeks away and I could not be less cranky . . . and I spent this afternoon listening to a new client whine for an hour and a half on the phone.

Maybe you needed a longer vacation?

Wait. How cranky do those of us that had no two week vacation get to be? I've seriously been storing it up...

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
If he's a joke, then what does that make Don "Magic" Juan?

A motherfuckin' P-I-M-P.

Or a joke that's not so funny.

TM

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by former gov't
As far as Catholic church goes - if the church recognizes the marriage (and as CJ states, it may not as she wasn't married by a priest) she would have to file for a church annulment after the civil anulment is granted (same for a religious anulment after obtaining a civil divorce)

Having introduced the mother of a friend to the guy in my Patch archdiocese who got her an annulment after 35 years of marriage and 5 children, I feel uniquely qualified to speak until Atticus does. (OK, not really, but here I go anyway. Not really qualified, I mean, I did really hook her up for an annulment.)

Any marriage recognized by the state is recognized as a marriage by the Catholic Church (i.e.: the catholic church does not think it is OK for a Muslim to take 4 wives if no more than 1 of them is married in a catholic service), and would need to be annuled to "not count." If the marriage is conducted by a Christian officiant, of any sect, the Catholic Church also recognizes it as a sacrament (but I have no clue if that has any effect on the difficulty of getting an annulment). Catholics can be legitimately married by non-priests, but they are in big trouble if they start going to different sects or religions for their sacraments, thus the "you really really have to be married by a priest for it to 'count'" notion of common wisdom. (See, e.g.: brother in law who got hitched in civil ceremony first time 'round and then couldn't get married by a priest to his catholic 2nd wife, who fortunately didn't care at all about getting married by a judge, but cared a lot about getting married by an Anglican bishop.)

Physical consummation is not really the test (though it surely used to be moreso that it is now); the test is whether one ever actually engaged in or participated in the marriage (there is some magical term of art there that I am missing, but that is the gist). Thus, the mother of my friend was able to obtain an annulment based on years of, basically, psychological neglect and periodic abandonment by asserting that the husband never, in fact, really engaged in the marriage. Being wasted and thus not competent to really consent definitely counts for this. Being young and stupid counts, too, in some cases. So does having entered into a legit marriage that, for later-discovered reasons, you really shouldn't have ("spouse was really gay" is a very popular one for obtaining Catholic annulments, for example, but "married my sister" or "found out he was divorced/already married" work, too). However, the key is to know who is the go-to guy in the relevant archdiocese - some are hard-asses and don't like people doing back-door divorces; others are pretty flexible.

Nice side effect: under both Catholic and civil doctrine, children born of an annulled marriage are nevertheless legitimate. Not sure that matters anymore, but there it is.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
[Bunch of stuff about annulment] However, the key is to know who is the go-to guy in the relevant archdiocese - some are hard-asses and don't like people doing back-door divorces; others are pretty flexible.

Having gone through a civil divorce and Catholic annulment (for ex's benefit; I'm not Catholic and don't care), I can tell you this is the real key. Aside from the marriages that last only a few days, which are pretty easy to annul, the most common reason seems to be the "participation" argument: one partner or the other didn't really take the marriage seriously. In my case I took the fall and agreed that -- being a stupid, stupid Protestant -- I didn't really understand the whole Catholic wedding vows and so the marriage wasn't real (never mind that she's the one who flipped out about being married and left). Apparently, if the "cool" Bishop hadn't just died, I wouldn't have had to go through even those motions. But apparently the new bishop's reluctance to grant annulments was outweighed only by his desire to prove to himself that Protestants were mindless insensitive thugs. Not that we aren't.

[Pretty Little Flower]

I just read this on the world wide web:

"Let It Bomb drops so much mad science, the Zoobombs are destined to be the biggest, fastest, loudest, bestest, super-baddest thing out of Japan since the Yokohama Goldflies or the Godzilla Freaks Clan!"

Normally, I would keep this information to myself, go out and buy the Zoobombs' latest, and then when the Fashion Board finally started getting really into them, I would derisively post something about how I was into then back when they were cool, and suggest that the posters of the Fashion Board were probably just learning about the Yokohama Goldflies, or probably still thought the Godzilla Freaks Clan was hip.

But, it is a new year and I am considerably less cranky then Dualit purports to be (although I still do not understand why his crankiness precludes him from not being the un-subtle guy). So, I will share this bit of information with you and we on the Fashion Board can get in on the ground floor. Together, we will ride the inevitable tidal wave of the Zoobombs' popularity to unspeakable heights of hipness, and then casually discard them before the rest of the suckers start liking them just as the wave smashes those same suckers into the sands of irrelevancy.

[Skeks in the city]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic

I remember the "laptop-guy" who sat behind me in some class or other. .... He'd reached like the 287th level of Tetris.

I saw more than one guy who sat close to the front of the room, brought a laptop to class every day, and did nothing but play wolfenstein or Doom.

BR(On another topic, I always found Jeff Goldblum pretty sexy)C

Goldblum is cool, and since he's a guy, that makes him hot.

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by Skeks in the city

Goldblum is cool, and since he's a guy, that makes him hot.

Ever since I saw him in the Fly, I cannot picture him as hot. At all. No way. ecchhhh.

[Skeks in the city]

Originally posted by pony_trekker

My response to the socratic method was: 1. Long diatraibe with many tangents, spoken slowly with a lot of umms in between, sprinkled with enough substance so that the professor realized I was king of the bullshit answer. Usually safe for the rest of the year.

If I did law school again, I wouldn't say anything unless called on. If I was called on, I'd refuse to participate, saying I was unprepared -- unless it was in a small class where participation was actually graded.

[dc_chef]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Yeah, but Brittney [sic] was saving it for marriage, right, so she had to get married first.

Hey, don't mess with my woman.

On a related note, I received five e-mails today and an interoffice phone call alerting me to Ms. Spears short-lived marriage. Once I found out that it was not a shotgun wedding, I was fine with it.

[Dave]

Originally posted by evenodds
Now, I am back after more than two weeks away and I could not be less cranky . . .

Maybe you needed a longer vacation?

A two week (plus) vacation? Such things exist? WTF?

Yeah, I suppose they do, since I know a few people in the profession who'll even take a month off, but they usually aren't practicing b/c they need to actually make a living, and/or they don't have any actual clients.

Da (clearly almost getting a four-day weekend doesn't do it for crankiness) ve

[str8outavannuys]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
I went to school with Crazy Eye Killah. Out namedrop THAT, str8

That's tits. Best I got for law school is the fact that Chuck Lane was there for a year at a special journalist program. As he was a bit older, we got him to help pull off a brilliant practical joke on the undergrads, pretending to be a recruiter from a wacky German bank that demanded calisthenics and other what-not. We had about 50 seniors very very perplexed.

(Chuck Lane was the editor of the New Republic during the "Shattered Glass" period and is played in the movie by Peter Sarsgaard.)

That said, Crazy Eyes wins.

As far as weirdest law school classmate, everyone was nutso in their own way, especially in their "must keep nose clean, protect political future at all costs" mentality. But one student went off the deep end when she got to her law firm and started stalking a partner, got the boot, and later briefly stalked me.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Normally, I would keep this information to myself, go out and buy the Zoobombs' latest,

you are sooo behind. i considered buying the Zoobombs 2 weeks ago. Thanks for playing.