Fashion Board 3-5-04 to 4-6-04

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by evenodds
Speaking of the Apprentice . . .

Amy was bar hopping last night and her hair looks so much better now than it did on the show. She is also, according to the guys, really f****** hot.

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I think Troy was very good. And I agree that his simpleton act worked on almost everyone he tried it with.


PS - I'm sick of his left-hand-woman who contributes roughly zilch each week. She always seems like she zeros in on one person she wants out and tries to get Trump to concentrate on them. I bet everyone who works for Trump hates her. She's the worst kind of kiss-ass, power monger.

PPS - I miss hating Omarosa. And back she comes!

Which of amy's hair? It changes three times per show? It does not look good when it's all stringy, as it was before she did anything with it. She should win, if the show is based on talent revealed on the show.

Bill has done shit. Kwame's done even less, but Trump's afraid that the H-bomb in his pocket will blow if he fires the guy. There's no way Kwame stays over Troy if Kwame doesn't have the credential. What has Kwame shown? Don't take a real leadership role, and get lucky because someone else will screw up first. That may be the way to succeed in your first couple of years at a real job, but this ain't that. Troy seemed to have a knack for getting tasks done, although I agree that knack may not translate to anything Trump has to offer. Nick is irredeemable. He sounds like an idiot and acts like an idiot, and is around just so the producers could push the love interest. He was 15 minutes away from getting canned, when a complete bufoon decides to offer more than NIck and AMy were asking for the place--was the filming bogus or was that luck deemed totally irrelevant by the donald? It certainly didn't come up.

As for blond-haired chick, she was also profiled in the NY Times yesterday. I was stunned she's 35. She has a 50 year old's hair and outfit. It's bizarre, because she could do a lot better. Is it any surprise she told the women to stop winning by slutting? She just can't win that way, so apparently they shouldn't either. She manages Trump's golf club in NY, where they went for the picnic in one of the early episodes. Apparently trump hired her to run it when he bought the place, as she had restored it to profitability (or not hemmorhaging) before his purchase.

And WTF with Omarosa? Are they really going to bend the rules so disgustingly that they can two people, and put her back into the game? Or is she just going to sit in final judgment of the remaining two? Talk about ruining your career. I'm not sure whether I'd be less inclined to hire her or psycho Sam Solovay, who won't be selling me any real estate around here, thanks.

[Alex_de_Large]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Little old lady client was in LA last week for the shoot with Cameron Diaz, and she reported that she didn't see Toni Collette at all when she was there, so that gels with my intel. If I remember the book right, the Cameron Diaz character has some scenes in Philly, though not as many as in Miami, which I assume LA will stand in for.

According to Mrs. dL, the book was total garbage. She was shocked it was being made into a movie.

[dtb]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I would suggest that negative reactions to a cultural artifact tend to be similar in force to the positive reactions to that same artifact. So, your husband, or Sebby, or whomever doesn't particularly like the show. Would they rant and rave about it, if the show were getting only a lukewarm response from the general, and especially female, public? Doubtful. But the show gets held up as some icon of insight, brilliance, womanhood (yes, I'm exagerrating here), and the reaction to that grows from "I don't really like the show" to the furor of spitting bile that Mr. Bill apparently descended into on a weekly basis.

Nah -- it's more of an eye-rolling when he would see me watching it, along with a snide comment about how dumb the show was. It wasn't dumb. It was reflective of a demographic that a lot of women could relate to. It obviously struck a chord with many women, and I attribute that chord-striking to the relative "reality" that their conversations reflected. (In the wrap-up show, the writers revealed that many of the plot lines and silly happenings were based upon real-life events that had happened to the writers themselves or their friends -- for example, being broken-up with on a post-it.)

So again, I don't know why the visceral reaction to it -- because "it's dumb" doesn't seem like enough of a reason to get apoplectic about its success. Why get so angry about reflecting genuine (albeit "Hollywood-ized") conversations (however banal -- newsflash -- when chicks get together, they often talk about pedestrian subjects in between the regular deep thoughts and discussions about literature and philosophy) among a group of women friends? It just doesn't add up.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by mmm3587
I find it hard to understand because I don't really know men that are threatened by it. I imagine three categories of man-opinion on SATC:

[Lengthy analysis of overanalytical show.]

It's a show that always made me feel sorry for New Yorkers. Whine, whine, whine... and then have bad sex and whine about that.

These women needed some sex with a nice rustic horse-trainer.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by purse junkie
I CAN drink it straight, ass--I just LIKE mimosas with French toast. And I never poison really good drinks, of any variety, with mixers.

And I drink my mimosas, which are without doubt uncool, girly, simpy, and a truly prissy country-club drink to scarf by the gallon at baby showers, without apology. So insult away.

Fuck the mimosas - its the French Toast that's reviolting. What a gross breakfast food.

Gin is the only country club drink. Gin makes me shudder. Gin makes you go to bad places.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by dtb
Nah -- it's more of an eye-rolling when he would see me watching it, along with a snide comment about how dumb the show was. It wasn't dumb. It was reflective of a demographic that a lot of women could relate to. It obviously struck a chord with many women, and I attribute that chord-striking to the relative "reality" that their conversations reflected. (In the wrap-up show, the writers revealed that many of the plot lines and silly happenings were based upon real-life events that had happened to the writers themselves or their friends -- for example, being broken-up with on a post-it.)

So again, I don't know why the visceral reaction to it -- because "it's dumb" doesn't seem like enough of a reason to get apoplectic about its success. Why get so angry about reflecting genuine (albeit "Hollywood-ized") conversations (however banal -- newsflash -- when chicks get together, they often talk about pedestrian subjects in between the regular deep thoughts and discussions about literature and philosophy) among a group of women friends? It just doesn't add up.

Sidd nailed it a few pages back.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Why would any self-respecting whisky drinker have Bourbon when there's Scotch out there?

I drink Jim Beam and ginger ale in memory of my grandfather, but I'm not sure I'd recommend to anyone outside my immediate family.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I'll drink whatever vodka is given to me to be polite, but at a bar, I order Stoli or Ketel One. I don't drink anything in a painted crafted crystal bottle. It ain't Louis 'Tre - its fucking pototo moonshine. If I want to purchase advertising, I'll take out space in the newspaper.

When I bartended, I was always amused by the snobby types who insisted on certain brands of vodka. When there were couples ordering different brands, I liked to switch them. No one ever complained.

[mmm3587]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
[Amy's hair]

"Bill has done shit."

Amy's skirts have definitely been getting shorter, but she's definitely hot. The stringy hair looks kind of weird, but she onyl really wears it like that when she's all done up. And I can stand it, then. She also looks pretty good just sitting around the loft without a bra on. Nice bounce.

I think Bill is a smart guy and pretty capable. If he hasn't done shit, who has besides Amy. I think Bill has been portrayed poorly by the editing. A lot of the wins he's been involved in have been his doing. Definitely the casino one. He almost won the apartment one for his team. He's able to see the way to win things; I just think he's been somewhat unlucky in the tasks. And a lot of this stuff is complete luck.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
I drink Jim Beam and ginger ale in memory of my grandfather, but I'm not sure I'd recommend to anyone outside my immediate family.

Or admit it, either, I'd think.

[mmm3587]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
When I bartended, I was always amused by the snobby types who insisted on certain brands of vodka. When there were couples ordering different brands, I liked to switch them. No one ever complained.

Same for gin. It's all juniper, assholes!

Come on, I can see not being able to tell Ketel One from Grey Goose after it's killed with tonic, but are you telling me you put rail vodka in place of GG and no one noticed? Or did you just switch within quality ranges?

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Fuck the mimosas - its the French Toast that's reviolting. What a gross breakfast food.

Gin is the only country club drink. Gin makes me shudder. Gin makes you go to bad places.

G&Ts made the Stepford-wife lives of an entire generation of my friends' moms bearable, so I can't really fault it. Though IMHO, it tastes disgusting, so pills would've gone down a lot easier than gin.

[dtb]

Originally posted by mmm3587
[SATC observations]

I agree for the most part -- but your Category 2 is not the category of dislike/hatred of the show that I was referring to. There are dudes (or cats, if you prefer) who fly into a rage when someone suggests that she enjoys the show -- and that just doesn't add up. I don't KNOW that it's because they're threatened, I'm just speculating -- but I haven't heard any other logical explanation for why men (and it's only men I've encountered among those with the extreme reaction) get so beside themselves with rage-like disbelief upon learning that someone actually enjoys the show.

Difference of opinion? Sure. An "I think the show is boring/trite/shallow pov?" Fine. Flying into a rage because people like the show? Does not compute.

[dtb]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
These women needed some sex with a nice rustic horse-trainer.

Yeah. [derisive-in-a-"duh!"-sort-of-way snort] Well, that's a tautology if I've ever seen one.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by dtb
Nah -- it's more of an eye-rolling when he would see me watching it, along with a snide comment about how dumb the show was. It wasn't dumb. It was reflective of a demographic that a lot of women could relate to. It obviously struck a chord with many women, and I attribute that chord-striking to the relative "reality" that their conversations reflected. (In the wrap-up show, the writers revealed that many of the plot lines and silly happenings were based upon real-life events that had happened to the writers themselves or their friends -- for example, being broken-up with on a post-it.)

So again, I don't know why the visceral reaction to it -- because "it's dumb" doesn't seem like enough of a reason to get apoplectic about its success. Why get so angry about reflecting genuine (albeit "Hollywood-ized") conversations (however banal -- newsflash -- when chicks get together, they often talk about pedestrian subjects in between the regular deep thoughts and discussions about literature and philosophy) among a group of women friends? It just doesn't add up.

Maybe I'm just fighting the hypo here, but "eye-rolling" doesn't sound particularly "visceral," "apoplectic," or "angry" to me.

I don't understand why you feel compelled to find some "secret reason" why your husband or anyone else thought the show was dumb. People can honestly disagree; that doesn't mean that he was "threatened" any more than it means that your fondness from the show stemmed from regrets about being married with kids.