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[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Then, consider yourself shocked.

You must live in a more genteel world than I. I know one of my socialist friends from Scotland recently told me that Europeans are much more mature and refined in their politics than Americans. Are you from France?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
It seems that the less it coincides with your opinion the less rational it becomes.

2. not bob actually attacked ty@50 for simply telling history from the future. Ty@50 has now predicted I won't be here to see the future, which breaks my heart, but it is short sighted to attack Ty@50 for knowing stuff we don't. If now Ty would learn the lesson of learning from the more knowledgable, you wouldn't have to post so much on PB.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
It seems that the less it coincides with your opinion the less rational it becomes.

Well, then, why do you care what I think?

We've already discussed the photoshoppe issue -- I don't like the ones of Bush or Cheney or whoever, either. But that's not really relevant, because there ain't nobody posting them on the LT Politics board. And I can't remember the last time someone repeatedly responded to a series of posts with "Bush Lied!"

edited to note that this probably should have been a PM to penske.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by LessinSF
But what I cannot do is get back these years to be able to not work, play, travel, whatever I feel like doing. And, I could keel over tomorrow with all that money unspent.

Less (this plan would not work if I wanted kids, but I do not) inSF

I'm reaching that point. The wife wants kids, and I'd like to see them. I'd also like to get back my personality, and travel.

I'm seriously considering packing up the plantation and moving somewhere I'd rather not live, but would have a great (read: easy) job, and not worry about money. I'm tired of being beholden to others. I don't want to be anyone's employee or fucking partner anymore.

I'm also learning the hardest truth - in this shithole city I've chosen, unless you grew up here, its next to impossible to get good business here (and even then, its all shit because there's no fucking money in this rust belt asshole of the universe). I realize now why my father called me an idiot and second-rater for coming here instead of working in NYC (in a non-law job).

Its too bad PA didn't flood instead. Those folks in NO look like decent people who didn't deserve it... Here, it'd be like that righteous rain "washing away the scum" the Clash sang about... A state full of degenerate union scum, corrupt shiftless professional politicians, professional litigants and general backward curs... all trying to suckle of the state teat in one fashion or another... destroying the margins out of any industry that gets near the place...

"Come to Pennsylvania! 10 millions scumbags fighting over the same dwindling pile of dirty bills. At least we're not Ohio!"

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Well, then, why do you care what I think?

We've already discussed the photoshoppe issue -- I don't like the ones of Bush or Cheney or whoever, either. But that's not really relevant, because there ain't nobody posting them on the LT Politics board. And I can't remember the last time someone repeatedly responded to a series of posts with "Bush Lied!"

The immediate and unrelenting assertions of primary responsibility for the mistakes in NO to the Feds are the equivalent of the Bush Lied harangue. And that harangue goes on all the time from posters over there, whether its in two word form or complete sentences or paragraphs. I asked a question about the localities responsibility and the consistent answer I got was "maybe, sort of, I need more info, there might be some responsibility but FEMA FEMA FEMA". Progressively I posted more evidence of the localities complicity and the answer was the same, a qualified non-answer. That is why I kept asking the question.

As for pictorial satires, that goes on everyday in the real world too. Did you see the ads NARAL had to pull related to Roberts as too offensive (and bullshit)?? The Swift Boat stuff was the same. And its not lunatics that come up with this stuff. Its highly paid media consultants. But the message is no different than the photoshoppe satires. So its okay to use graphic representations in the real world, but your sensibilities are so fragile that if you see them on a Poilitics Board you get wounded? Cindy Sheehan's group can burn Bush in effigee but a satirical picture of her is out of bounds? And while it may be offensive, political dialogue is. Did you write your congress people complaining when Harry Reid stood before a group of high school students and called the president a "loser"? Did you write them when Senator Landrieu threatened to punch the President (in violation of a fed stat)? That's offensive and its equally offensive from the other side (eg when Dan Burton called Clinton a scumbag), but I doubt if as a citisen you took any stand, however a photoshoppe of Hillary, now that's troubling.

eta: this probably should have been a PM to not_bob

reta: merde!!! STP!!

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
You must live in a more genteel world than I.

Probably not. The difference may lie in our relative preferences for the PB to resemble the daily screaming match found in a city board meeting.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Probably not. The difference may lie in our relative preferences for the PB to resemble the daily screaming match found in a city board meeting.

In 25 years of being around politics I have scarcely seen a political dialogue that was any different but for short periods of time. Politics is passionate subject because any discussion involves real or hyopthesised affects on the rights of the people discussing. It should be passionate. I get offended when people propose things that diminish my rights. If I only discussed politics with someone who was for a flat tax then it would be a short and not-so passionate conversation. Maybe if more people acted like the people who go to city council meetings and scream, the voter turnout in the US would be less anemic. And then we would have real representative democracy. For better or worse. But when people don't care enough to be passionate, you get what we have now, which I don't think you are so crazy about, so much.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
eta: this probably should have been a PM to not_bob

reta: merde!!! STP!!

Just looking to avoid boring everyone else. But it was a visible post long enough that I didn't want to delete it.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
In 25 years of being around politics I have scarcely seen a political dialogue that was any different but for short periods of time. Politics is passionate subject because any discussion involves real or hyopthesised affects on the rights of the people discussing. It should be passionate. I get offended when people propose things that diminish my rights. If I only discussed politics with someone who was for a flat tax then it would be a short and not-so passionate conversation. Maybe if more people acted like the people who go to city council meetings and scream, the voter turnout in the US would be less anemic. And then we would have real representative democracy. For better or worse. But when people don't care enough to be passionate, you get what we have now, which I don't think you are so crazy about, so much.

Ack!! What the fuck is happening over here? Seriously, TAKE THIS SHIT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

p.s. I miss patentpara.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Just looking to avoid boring everyone else. But it was a visible post long enough that I didn't want to delete it.

I have my computer set to screen save every thirty seconds, so I never miss a post. Even deleted ones.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Ack!! What the fuck is happening over here? Seriously, TAKE THIS SHIT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

p.s. I miss patentpara.

maybe you could use these Penske posts as subliminal contractions and practice your breathing exercises?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Ack!! What the fuck is happening over here? Seriously, TAKE THIS SHIT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

p.s. I miss patentpara.

How come when I used that sock you were mean to it?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I think I could say the same of you. The problem I have with your acknowledging a point is that you qualify the acknowledgment to the point that you are not really acknowledging it anymore. I presented multiple facts regarding an issue that would lead many an objective person to be able to make an unqualified conclusion, but you still qualify it. Its like me saying, I've heard a lot of things about this Hitler chap and his gas chambers. Sounds bad. I'd like to get more information.

How many days now have I been asking you for a newspaper article about this stuff?

[bold_n_brazen]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
How many days now have I been asking you for a newspaper article about this stuff?

Okay. Stop it right now.

Hell, I'd rather talk about arcane traffic laws than to hear you guys talk politics.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
Okay. Stop it right now.

Hell, I'd rather talk about arcane traffic laws than to hear you guys talk politics.

In the absence of any guiding sign, one way or the other, is left on red universally legal in the United States if one is turning onto a one way street where traffic flows right to left or is it a jurisdiction by jurisdiction rule?

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